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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Actually, my "logic" is that the murderer
is almost certainly unhinged and shot an ungodly number of innocents
because he's a sick twisted malcontent. I doubt that political rhetoric from
either side of the right/left spectrum had much to do with his actions. As
someone else on the list said, It's as likely he recieved his notions from a
talking dog. I do not think that he's a "radical left wing socialist" and I
don't think he's a right wing reactionary and I think that blindly firing off
accusations at Sarah Palin, the tea party and conservatives in general is
unfair, unfounded, and unhelpful. I really don't know how I could make
myself any clearer on this topic</FONT>.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:08
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the
shooting</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Here's Mr. Crabtree's logic . . .<BR>> <BR>> Judging by his
readings and interests, Loughner must be a radical<BR>> left-wing
socialist. So, naturally he shoots the only Democrat in his<BR>>
congressional district.<BR>> <BR>> Right, g?<BR>> <BR>> Tom
Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> On Tue, January 11, 2011 10:19 am,
Joe Campbell wrote:<BR>>> Explain to me how Obama has closer ties to Che
and communism than Palin.<BR>>> Why would you say
that?<BR>>><BR>>> And I'm not "blaming" anyone but the
shooter.<BR>>><BR>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:02 AM, lfalen
<</FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>> You have somewhat of a point in
saying that insane people can be<BR>>>> influenced to kill someone.
What is wrong is in blaming it on the right<BR>>>> with out a shred of
evidence. The guy was a fan of Che Guavaria(sp) and<BR>>>> the
Communist Manifesto. It would seem to me you folks are blaming
the<BR>>>> wrong side. Obama, Biden, Van Jones and a host of other
democrats have<BR>>>> also made inflammatory statement. A lot of
military terms are used in<BR>>>> ordinary speech and should not be
taken literally. If you condemned all<BR>>>> rhetoric that might
somehow incite someone to violence I would be more<BR>>>> impressed.
That however would place a severe restriction on what can be<BR>>>>
said.<BR>>>> Roger<BR>>>> -----Original
message-----<BR>>>> From: Joe Campbell </FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:47:04 -0800<BR>>>> To:
lfalen </FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting<BR>>>><BR>>>>>
Roger,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> How does the fact that he was
insane change the issue?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> If one pays a
man to kill another, does he get off if it turns out<BR>>>>> that
the killer was insane?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Can I hire an
insane man to rob a bank an split the profits? After<BR>>>>> all, if
he gets caught, I can always say he's insane so I can't be<BR>>>>>
blamed for anything, right?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> Is anyone
allowed to ask any insane person do do whatever they wish<BR>>>>>
and suffer no consequences if he does
it?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> People in positions of political
power, like Palin, should not be<BR>>>>> creating posters with
crosshairs designating their political enemies.<BR>>>>> That is over
the top, inappropriate, and irresponsible PRECISELY<BR>>>>> because
there are insane people in the world who might take it<BR>>>>>
seriously.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> What could possibly be wrong
with this criticism?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> On Mon, Jan 10,
2011 at 12:53 PM, lfalen <</FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>> On item Item 3. The media and
numerous others have been linking the<BR>>>>>> shooting to the
right with out a shred of evidence. It has also been<BR>>>>>>
reported that the Communist manifesto was one of his favorite
books.<BR>>>>>> Does this mean that the left wing is responsible?
No. All of this<BR>>>>>> unsubstantiated rhetoric by the media
and others is irresponsible. He<BR>>>>>> was a nut job, pure and
simple. End of story.<BR>>>>>>
Roger<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> -----Original
message-----<BR>>>>>> From: Joe Campbell </FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:51:25
-0800<BR>>>>>> To: Gary Crabtree </FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the
shooting<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Gary there are
folks throwing out crazy rightwing rhetoric who have<BR>>>>>>>
TV shows, who run for governmental
office.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> There are nuts
on both sides, no doubt.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>
But there aren't TV and radio hosts from the left, let
alone<BR>>>>>>> candidates running for office, who are openly
saying the same things<BR>>>>>>> the nuts are
saying.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Nor are there
leftwing schools using violent rhetoric in their ad<BR>>>>>>>
campaigns.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> Sent from my
iPhone<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> On Jan 8, 2011,
at 7:43 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>jampot@roadrunner.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>>>>>>
wrote:<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> And the
unstable left wing over the top rhetoric of rabid
animal<BR>>>>>>>> rights groups, earth firsters, truthers,
and the endlessly droning<BR>>>>>>>> Bush lied/people died
crowd don't? Lumping Courtney, Wilson, the tea<BR>>>>>>>>
party folks, and conservatives in general as a group with even
a<BR>>>>>>>> smattering of responsibility for this tragedy
is over the top by any<BR>>>>>>>> standard. Even
yours.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
g<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> From: keely
emerinemix<BR>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:23
PM<BR>>>>>>>> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the
shooting<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> In the
interest of transparency, I want to say that I've
heard<BR>>>>>>>> indirectly from Dale Courtney and directly
from Douglas Wilson, both<BR>>>>>>>> of whom, not
surprisingly, take umbrage at my characterization
that<BR>>>>>>>> people like them bear some responsibility
for things like the<BR>>>>>>>> politically motivated
shootings in Tucson. You can look on
Dale's<BR>>>>>>>> blog, and I won't post Wilson's emails to
me without his permission,<BR>>>>>>>> but when I take my
hits for something I've said or done in public,
I<BR>>>>>>>> am not afraid to acknowledge those hits in
public. But let's be<BR>>>>>>>>
clear.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> I did not
say that Douglas Wilson and Dale Courtney shot
anyone.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> I did
not say they are accountable for the actions of the man
who<BR>>>>>>>>
did.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> I did not
say they are guilty in the same way the shooter is, and
I<BR>>>>>>>> didn't say they specifically, personally
encouraged him to do
it.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>> What I said
was that people who say the kinds of things these
two<BR>>>>>>>> prominent local Christians have said, and
say them in the ugly and<BR>>>>>>>> intolerant, public way
they've said them, are responsible for the<BR>>>>>>>>
climate that helps tip unstable, paranoid anti-government types
over<BR>>>>>>>> the edge. That doesn't seem too
difficult to comprehend, and<BR>>>>>>>> certainly wouldn't
seem to be too difficult for these two men of<BR>>>>>>>>
chest to bear. Frankly, if Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik
has<BR>>>>>>>> concluded that the atmosphere of hatred and
abuse swamping the<BR>>>>>>>> country these days has
incubated actions like the shootings today,<BR>>>>>>>> it
hardly seems odd that those of us who live in a place where
our<BR>>>>>>>> neighbors contribute so nakedly to that
atmosphere would remark on<BR>>>>>>>> their culpability for
it.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>
Keely<BR>>>>>>>> </FONT><A
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