<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I watched Glen Beck tonight for about 10 minutes and I'm guessing you did too since he said the same thing. I read Huffington but haven't done so for over a week. None of this matters.</div><div><br></div><div>What does matter is that you continue to distort what I say. </div><div><br></div><div>I never said "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">all the hateful rhetoric comes from the right." When you gave an example of violent rhetoric from Obama I didn't deny it, I condemned it.</span><br><br></div><div>I never said "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">the Tucson murder is under the pernicious influence of a conservative dogma if not an out tea party republican operative." </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">That is a stupid claim. Your idea of dialogue is to put stupid, hyperbolic words in my mouth and criticize them. </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">Even if it was coincidence that the crosshairs poster was posted on Palin's website and one of the humans targeted was actually shot, any decent person would have apologized and said enough is enough, things have gone too far. She didn't.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">Instead I watched as Beck explained how the supposed connection to Palin was an indication of the communist takeover. (I'm not making this up.) But I'm the one who "</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">continue(s) to politicize this horror show."</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">Again, each of your posts supports the point I've actually been making. The far right, you included, continues to demonize the left with its wild, over-the-top rhetoric. And that can't be a good thing.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">And in a world where Beck's program counts as news journalism, a connection between the violent rhetoric of the far right and the Tucson "</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); font-family: Calibri; ">horror show" cannot be regarded as absurd.</span></div><div><br>On Jan 10, 2011, at 8:15 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">"<font color="#ff0000" face="Times New Roman">How do my claims benefit me or the left?<font color="#000000" face="Calibri">"</font></font></font></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">That truly is hard to say. In my eyes they
don't but you continue to bang the kos/huffington party line drum none the
less. The incessant repetition of how all the hateful rhetoric comes from the
right despite the voluminous evidence to the contrary. (Michelle Malkin pretty
well put that one to bed for good and all) </font><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">The unending contention that the Tucson murder is under the
pernicious influence of a conservative dogma if not an out tea party
republican operative despite increasing information that the freak is mostly
apolitical and if anything trending left (the Communist Manifesto and an
insatiable taste for the chronic not being hallmarks of the right wing
lifestyle) Why don't you simply solve this mystery for me and the rest of your
puzzled audience? Why <u>do</u> you continue to politicize this horror
show?</font></div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 10, 2011 6:39 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson</div></div></div>
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<div>You're joking if you think this one case shows the two sides are
equal.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>And what political points am I scoring? That claim makes no sense. How do
my claims benefit me or the left?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You are a great example of the over the top, insulting rhetoric of the
right, one that tries to demonize and misrepresent everything the left says, by
the way. So keep writing! Every one of your posts helps to make my point!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>So you think violent rhetoric is "natural"? That's good to know. I'll save
this post!<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Jan 10, 2011, at 5:26 PM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can
see. In your earlier posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent
rhetoric" was a one sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right
and I offered a few examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing
less. I did not contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing
it as well. My reason for responding to you at all was that I think
that using tragedy to attempt to score cheap political points is not
helpful to say the very least.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">As to your question of where I stand on the
issue, it depends on your sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem
with analogy such as Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say
that BHO is evil incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country
and must be stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've
stepped over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the
other is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the
difference.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">In any compitition it's natural to use terms of
conflict such as beat, fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable
person understands this and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A
lunatic might hear it and do something awful. They might also hear something
quite innocuous and freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every
word so as not to set off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax
and realize that the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons
indecipherable by the sane.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial"> g</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">From: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">To: "the lockshop" <</font><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Cc: "Tom Hansen" <</font><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">thansen@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">>;
<</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37
PM</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in
Tucson</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br><font size="2"></font></font></div><font size="2" face="Arial">Gary,<br><br>You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.<br><br>I'd
like to know where you stand on it. My view is that violent<br>rhetoric is
wrong. It was wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment<br>if it was
directed toward his political enemies. Just because I'm a<br>Democrat and
voted for him doesn't make it right. What's your view? Do<br>you think it was
wrong for him to say this and that such violent<br>rhetoric, directed at one's
political opponents is wrong? Or do you<br>think it is OK for folks to say
this sort of thing?<br><br>The view can't be that it was wrong for Obama but
not for, say, NSA or<br>Palin. But which is: wrong for both groups or OK for
both? I think it<br>is wrong for both.<br><br>On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40
AM, the lockshop <</font><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">> wrote:<br>> I assume that by violent rhetoric you would
include comments made by those<br>> who are the last word in "viable
presidential candidate."<br>><br>> "If they bring a knife to the fight,
we bring a gun,” Obama said in<br>> Philadelphia last night. “Because from
what I understand, folks in Philly<br>> like a good
brawl..."<br>><br>> I guess from now on instead of targeting voters,
candidates, or positions we<br>> will speak of humanely capturing them to
returned to a safe area where they<br>> can live out the remained of their
lives surrounded by love and comfort.<br>><br>>
g<br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: "Tom
Hansen" <</font><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">thansen@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">><br>>
To: <</font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font size="2" face="Arial">><br>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM<br>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson<br>>> Furthermore . .
.<br>>><br>>> The ONLY person that should be held directly
responsible for the murders<br>>> in Tuscon is Jared
Loughner.<br>>><br>>> However . . .<br>>><br>>> The
grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that<br>>>
committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
the<br>>> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and
"Second<br>>> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those
like Jared Loughner<br>>> with a false sense of patriotism when they
commit such acts.<br>>><br>>> Certainly, average, well-adjust
people can easily distinguish between<br>>> controversial commentary and
violent rhetoric, but . . .<br>>><br>>> How many Jared Loughners
are we to confront before sources of such<br>>> rhetoric are called in
to account?<br>>><br>>> Tom Hansen<br>>> Moscow,
Idaho<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On Mon, January 10, 2011
9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> It took all
of five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to remind<br>>>>
me that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
human<br>>>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an
evil man,<br>>>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps"
would disagree with<br>>>> and something I think Scripture would
affirm, but I used language in<br>>>> anger<br>>>> that I
have criticized in others, and I'm sorry for
it.<br>>>><br>>>> I trust that if Dale Courtney uses my
initial Phelps post on his blog,<br>>>> he'll have the integrity to
refer to this one as well.<br>>>><br>>>>
Keely<br>>>> </font><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</font></a><br><font size="2" face="Arial">>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
From: </font><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">kjajmix1@msn.com</font></a><br><font size="2" face="Arial">>>>
To: </font><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><br><font size="2" face="Arial">>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800<br>>>>
Subject: [Vision2020] evil in
Tucson<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the form
of<br>>>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the
city as the<br>>>> first<br>>>> victims of the shooting will
be released from the hospital and funerals<br>>>> for the dead will
begin. Phelps will be praising God for the massacre<br>>>>
and<br>>>> lauding the work of Jared Lee
Loughner.<br>>>><br>>>> The description of Phelps above is
mine; my angry and distraught<br>>>> brother's<br>>>> words
were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps' is utterly unfit
to<br>>>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the designation
"human."<br>>>><br>>>> Keely<br>>>> </font><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><font size="2" face="Arial">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</font></a><br><font size="2" face="Arial">>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
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