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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can
see. In your earlier posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent
rhetoric" was a one sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right and
I offered a few examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing less. I
did not contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing it as
well. My reason for responding to you at all was that I think that
using tragedy to attempt to score cheap political points is not
helpful to say the very least.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As to your question of where I stand on the issue,
it depends on your sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem with
analogy such as Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say that
BHO is evil incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country and
must be stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've
stepped over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the
other is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the
difference.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In any compitition it's natural to use terms of
conflict such as beat, fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable
person understands this and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A
lunatic might hear it and do something awful. They might also hear something
quite innocuous and freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every
word so as not to set off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax and
realize that the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons indecipherable
by the sane.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Joe Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "the lockshop" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in
Tucson</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Gary,<BR><BR>You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.<BR><BR>I'd like to
know where you stand on it. My view is that violent<BR>rhetoric is wrong. It was
wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment<BR>if it was directed toward his
political enemies. Just because I'm a<BR>Democrat and voted for him doesn't make
it right. What's your view? Do<BR>you think it was wrong for him to say this and
that such violent<BR>rhetoric, directed at one's political opponents is wrong?
Or do you<BR>think it is OK for folks to say this sort of thing?<BR><BR>The view
can't be that it was wrong for Obama but not for, say, NSA or<BR>Palin. But
which is: wrong for both groups or OK for both? I think it<BR>is wrong for
both.<BR><BR>On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, the lockshop <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
wrote:<BR>> I assume that by violent rhetoric you would include comments made
by those<BR>> who are the last word in "viable presidential
candidate."<BR>><BR>> "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a
gun,” Obama said in<BR>> Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I
understand, folks in Philly<BR>> like a good brawl..."<BR>><BR>> I
guess from now on instead of targeting voters, candidates, or positions
we<BR>> will speak of humanely capturing them to returned to a safe area
where they<BR>> can live out the remained of their lives surrounded by love
and comfort.<BR>><BR>> g<BR>><BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>> To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil
in Tucson<BR>>> Furthermore . . .<BR>>><BR>>> The ONLY person
that should be held directly responsible for the murders<BR>>> in Tuscon
is Jared Loughner.<BR>>><BR>>> However . . .<BR>>><BR>>>
The grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that<BR>>>
committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
the<BR>>> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and
"Second<BR>>> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those like
Jared Loughner<BR>>> with a false sense of patriotism when they commit
such acts.<BR>>><BR>>> Certainly, average, well-adjust people can
easily distinguish between<BR>>> controversial commentary and violent
rhetoric, but . . .<BR>>><BR>>> How many Jared Loughners are we to
confront before sources of such<BR>>> rhetoric are called in to
account?<BR>>><BR>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> On Mon, January 10, 2011
9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>> It took all of
five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to remind<BR>>>> me
that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
human<BR>>>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an
evil man,<BR>>>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps"
would disagree with<BR>>>> and something I think Scripture would
affirm, but I used language in<BR>>>> anger<BR>>>> that I have
criticized in others, and I'm sorry for it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I
trust that if Dale Courtney uses my initial Phelps post on his
blog,<BR>>>> he'll have the integrity to refer to this one as
well.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
From: </FONT><A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>kjajmix1@msn.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>> To:
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>>>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800<BR>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] evil
in
Tucson<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the form
of<BR>>>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the city
as the<BR>>>> first<BR>>>> victims of the shooting will be
released from the hospital and funerals<BR>>>> for the dead will begin.
Phelps will be praising God for the massacre<BR>>>> and<BR>>>>
lauding the work of Jared Lee Loughner.<BR>>>><BR>>>> The
description of Phelps above is mine; my angry and distraught<BR>>>>
brother's<BR>>>> words were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps'
is utterly unfit to<BR>>>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the
designation "human."<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>>
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size=2>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
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