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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>So I finally get around to logging on this
afternoon and imagine my complete and utter surprise at having tripped the
lists resident emotional booby trap. Who'd have thought?Apparently the "if"
in my comment was missed along with the point. It's apparently offensive to
refer to someone who is anti-US as left wing (not liberal) but is okey dokey to
christen a mad man a product of conservative thought. Holy crap!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>"...if one is anti-US
why not shoot him? Especially since we're in a culture war fighting for our very
souls, fighting for God, fighting for freedom."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>This is a "logical extension" from
someone who frequently reminds us that the pinnacle of logical thought resides
right here amongst us? Holy crap!</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>" too many of my
family members have helped fight for our freedom to be labeled anti-US because
I'm a member of another political party!"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Well now that's just totally unrelated to
anything I said, no wonder nobody wants to play with you! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 09, 2011 12:53 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> ; <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Anti-US policy is an indication that someone is a liberal!?! Holy
crap!</DIV>
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<DIV>How offensive is that? This is exactly my point. Conservatives get away
with this kind of crap all the time, and nobody blinks an eye. That is the
extent that the bs-rhetoric has gotten.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>And if one is anti-US why not shoot him? Especially since we're in a
culture war fighting for our very souls, fighting for God, fighting for
freedom.</DIV>
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<DIV>Shooting is just a logical extension of this insane rhetoric.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks for making the point, you jackass! </DIV>
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<DIV>Sorry for the language but too many of my family members have helped fight
for our freedom to be labeled anti-US because I'm a member of another political
party! I'm just sick of it.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 8, 2011, at 10:51 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>If it's fair to look at the
gibberish on Jared Lee Lounger's web site and declare him a right wing whack
job it should be equally fair to take Hasan's anti-war and anti-US policy
viewpoints and declare him a liberal. The point I was trying to make by
including Hasan is that assigning political motive to nut balls who are
obviously sick in the head is to attempt to score political points by the
weakest means possible. A horrible thing happened in Tucson today, maybe we
should try to leave the ghoulish political blame game for another
day.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 08, 2011 8:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Nidal Hasan was a liberal now? Wow. Come on now,
Gary. Check your facts!<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gary Crabtree <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>James Jae Lee, John Patrick Bedell, and Nidal Hasan leap
immediately
to<BR>mind.<BR><BR>g<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A></A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:42 PM<BR>To: "Paul Rumelhart" <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A></A>><BR>Cc:
<<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>> Can shootings like this be found coming from both
sides? Give an<BR>> example of a left wing nut who did something similar
within the last<BR>> few years? Try to do it quickly.<BR>><BR>> On
Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A></A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both
sides of the spectrum. If<BR>>> you go to his YouTube page (<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10">http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10</A></A>),<BR>>>
you'll see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist
Manifesto<BR>>> under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't
expect Tea Party<BR>>> sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm
and Fahrenheit 451.<BR>>><BR>>> They'll trot him out before the
cameras soon enough, and he can let us<BR>>> all know then. And
if he did do it because she voted for the Health<BR>>> Care bill, then
I throw my weight behind you right now in condemning him<BR>>> for
that. I just have a feeling that this one is going to be
stranger<BR>>> than it looks.<BR>>><BR>>>
Paul<BR>>><BR>>> keely emerinemix wrote:<BR>>>> sorry
-- I neglected to mention that the alleged gunman's video on
You<BR>>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry, irrational
anti-government stuff<BR>>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and all of
their ilk are as famous for as they<BR>>>> are for their status as
"Christian" ministers. That got dropped when<BR>>>> I
proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it
appears,<BR>>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at
the teat of vicious<BR>>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they
promote.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Enough said, but I think it needed
to be.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target=_blank><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A></A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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From: <A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A></A><BR>>>> To:
<A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A>; <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"><A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A></A><BR>>>>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:41:01 -0800<BR>>>> Subject: [Vision2020]
the shooting in Tucson<BR>>>><BR>>>> I've tried a couple
of times to send this and it appears to not have<BR>>>> gone
through, but I want to answer Paul:<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Paul,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank you for your reasonable words.
It's better than I've gotten<BR>>>> from Courtney on his <A
href="http://Right-Mind.us">Right-Mind.us</A>
blog.<BR>>>><BR>>>> That said, I would remind you that she
had been threatened before as a<BR>>>> result of her involvement in
the Obama healthcare bill. She is not a<BR>>>> liberal, but I
believe that she is more progressive than her record<BR>>>> shows,
primarily because of the extraordinarily conservative
district<BR>>>> she represents -- one that's been rife with
violent, bigoted rhetoric<BR>>>> from the Right. I heard a
lot about her from my father, and even two<BR>>>> years ago
he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine<BR>>>>
from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and
irrational<BR>>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched
Religious Right and<BR>>>> nascent Tea Party folks. This was
political, and even though the<BR>>>> video posted by the gunman
says he's not a Christian, the instances of<BR>>>> "Christian"
right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and<BR>>>>
increasing.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al,
responsible (do I have to say "and not<BR>>>> accountable"
again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney<BR>>>>
has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible
evangelical<BR>>>> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian
politics -- they have<BR>>>> failed in their mission to preach and
model peace, truth, justice, and<BR>>>> basic kindness in their
public pronouncements. Worse, they have<BR>>>> fanned the
flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,<BR>>>>
religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and
carelessness,<BR>>>> and are committed, judging from their own
works, to calling simple<BR>>>> political disagreement "tyranny"
that must be resisted by all<BR>>>> Christian
men.<BR>>>><BR>>>> You're a good man, and if you
disagree with me, you're not evil<BR>>>> because of it. But
surely you see that this hasn't happened in a<BR>>>> vacuum, and
that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the<BR>>>>
nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and
perverts<BR>>>> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his
hatred of the<BR>>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny"
frothing pastor, deserves<BR>>>> my scorn at minimum, and my
indictment in all truth.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Keely<BR>>>> <A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A></A><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Keely<BR>>>> <A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A></A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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