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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>If it's fair to look at the
gibberish on Jared Lee Lounger's web site and declare him a right wing whack job
it should be equally fair to take Hasan's anti-war and anti-US policy viewpoints
and declare him a liberal. The point I was trying to make by including Hasan is
that assigning political motive to nut balls who are obviously sick in the head
is to attempt to score political points by the weakest means possible. A
horrible thing happened in Tucson today, maybe we should try to leave the
ghoulish political blame game for another day.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 08, 2011 8:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Nidal Hasan was a liberal now? Wow. Come on now,
Gary. Check your facts!<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gary Crabtree <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN>
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class=gmail_quote>James Jae Lee, John Patrick Bedell, and Nidal Hasan leap
immediately
to<BR>mind.<BR><BR>g<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:42 PM<BR>To: "Paul Rumelhart" <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson<BR>
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<DIV class=h5><BR>> Can shootings like this be found coming from both
sides? Give an<BR>> example of a left wing nut who did something similar
within the last<BR>> few years? Try to do it quickly.<BR>><BR>> On
Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both
sides of the spectrum. If<BR>>> you go to his YouTube page (<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10</A>),<BR>>> you'll
see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto<BR>>>
under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't expect Tea Party<BR>>>
sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm and Fahrenheit
451.<BR>>><BR>>> They'll trot him out before the cameras soon
enough, and he can let us<BR>>> all know then. And if he did do it
because she voted for the Health<BR>>> Care bill, then I throw my weight
behind you right now in condemning him<BR>>> for that. I just have
a feeling that this one is going to be stranger<BR>>> than it
looks.<BR>>><BR>>> Paul<BR>>><BR>>> keely emerinemix
wrote:<BR>>>> sorry -- I neglected to mention that the alleged
gunman's video on You<BR>>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry,
irrational anti-government stuff<BR>>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and
all of their ilk are as famous for as they<BR>>>> are for their
status as "Christian" ministers. That got dropped when<BR>>>> I
proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it
appears,<BR>>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at the
teat of vicious<BR>>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they
promote.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Enough said, but I think it needed to
be.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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From: <A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A><BR>>>>
To: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>>
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:41:01 -0800<BR>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the
shooting in Tucson<BR>>>><BR>>>> I've tried a couple of
times to send this and it appears to not have<BR>>>> gone through,
but I want to answer Paul:<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Paul,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank you for your reasonable words.
It's better than I've gotten<BR>>>> from Courtney on his
Right-Mind.us blog.<BR>>>><BR>>>> That said, I would remind
you that she had been threatened before as a<BR>>>> result of her
involvement in the Obama healthcare bill. She is not a<BR>>>>
liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than her
record<BR>>>> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily
conservative district<BR>>>> she represents -- one that's been rife
with violent, bigoted rhetoric<BR>>>> from the Right. I heard a
lot about her from my father, and even two<BR>>>> years ago he
was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine<BR>>>> from
way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and
irrational<BR>>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched
Religious Right and<BR>>>> nascent Tea Party folks. This was
political, and even though the<BR>>>> video posted by the gunman says
he's not a Christian, the instances of<BR>>>> "Christian" right-wing
extremism in this country is alarming, and<BR>>>>
increasing.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al,
responsible (do I have to say "and not<BR>>>> accountable" again???)
because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney<BR>>>> has been an
elder in Christ Church and is a visible evangelical<BR>>>> spokesman
in Idaho conservative/Libertarian politics -- they have<BR>>>> failed
in their mission to preach and model peace, truth, justice,
and<BR>>>> basic kindness in their public pronouncements.
Worse, they have<BR>>>> fanned the flames of a
tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,<BR>>>> religiocultural climate,
often with astonishing glee and carelessness,<BR>>>> and are
committed, judging from their own works, to calling simple<BR>>>>
political disagreement "tyranny" that must be resisted by all<BR>>>>
Christian men.<BR>>>><BR>>>> You're a good man, and if
you disagree with me, you're not evil<BR>>>> because of it. But
surely you see that this hasn't happened in a<BR>>>> vacuum, and that
a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the<BR>>>> nation,
laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and perverts<BR>>>>
Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his hatred of
the<BR>>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny" frothing
pastor, deserves<BR>>>> my scorn at minimum, and my indictment in all
truth.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Keely<BR>>>> <A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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