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Joe,<BR>
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My offer for a cup of Jo or brew has always stood. Perhaps it would do us both good. If not, I hope you understand, my intensions are not to silence.<BR>
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Take care,<BR>
Matt<BR> <BR>
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:35:21 -0800<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Vision 2020 Mission Statement<BR>> From: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>> To: mattd2107@hotmail.com<BR>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> Matt,<BR>> <BR>> I didn't mean to suggest in anything that I have said that I haven't<BR>> done anything wrong in any of my conversations on the V with Darrell<BR>> or anyone else; that I haven't been rude or insulting. I have been.<BR>> I'm sorry if I've offended you or Darrell or anyone. No doubt that's<BR>> not enough. It is hard for one person to know what offends another.<BR>> Certainly things that I say in public that get a laugh don't get a<BR>> laugh on the V. Maybe I've been too slow to see that. I know I have<BR>> other amends to make but I'm not going to do it here.<BR>> <BR>> It is hard to get to know people on the V but I thought I always made<BR>> it clear that there are some things that bother me, especially in<BR>> public conversations like those on the V:<BR>> a) telling me to "take it off-line";<BR>> b) even mentioning my job in a political discussion;<BR>> c) insulting me;<BR>> d) insulting me about my job in a political discussion and then<BR>> telling me to take it off-line.<BR>> <BR>> If you know anything about me, you know this much. If I didn't respect<BR>> you and I didn't respect Darrell, I'd have dropped this conversation<BR>> long ago. I know there are better things I can do with my time. (What<BR>> is that cheer I hear in the background?)<BR>> <BR>> My point is simple. Telling me what to post on the V is like telling<BR>> you where to put your guns. It is laughable. Give it a rest.<BR>> <BR>> I'll stay true to my word though and after today I don't plan to do<BR>> any posting. Silent night! (Not that you can't say what you wish!)<BR>> <BR>> Best, Joe<BR>> <BR>> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Matt Decker <mattd2107@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>> > Joe. First of all Happy Birthday. May tomorrow bring you happiness and well<BR>> > being.<BR>> ><BR>> > With that said, off to the nitty gritty. Please tell me how I have<BR>> > restricted or attempted to silence you or your right to free speech? Have I<BR>> > told you to shut up? or zip it? The answer is no Joe, plain and simple. I<BR>> > believe Darrel offered a home brewed beer to help calm the storm. I've<BR>> > offered in the past to buy a cup of coffee or a beer. Both of us did so<BR>> > with intensions of thoughtful conversation and educated dialogue. Both<BR>> > attempts have been declined. Doesn't seem like an attempt of silencing to<BR>> > me.<BR>> ><BR>> > You wanted examples of how you and Darrel's conversation became "uncivil" (I<BR>> > stated personal but whatever) so here we go. With one of your last posts you<BR>> > stated numerous quotations of Darrel's so I feel no need to repeat those.<BR>> > Here are some others though.<BR>> ><BR>> > -"I might sound a little offended since you did in fact offend me." Dec 5<BR>> ><BR>> > This comment should speak for itself.<BR>> ><BR>> > -"I spent 4 hours today finding data that should convince you that your<BR>> > accusation might be false and has no basis in terms of recent posts on<BR>> > the V. If you think it has a basis, spend a little time to back it up.<BR>> > Or admit that you really don't know what you're talking about and that<BR>> > your opinion is based on hearsay from your conservative friends and<BR>> > nothing more. This is a harmful accusation that leads folks to dismiss<BR>> > the V for no reason. So far there is no evidence that you are doing<BR>> > more than spreading vicious rumors against your political opponents.<BR>> > If you're not, back your comments up and admit they have no basis." Dec 4<BR>> ><BR>> > Implies that Darrel has intentions of alternative motives and that all<BR>> > conservative opinions have no backing.<BR>> ><BR>> > -"I have know intention to share insults with you any further, Darrell" Dec<BR>> > 3<BR>> ><BR>> > Again, should speak for itself, implies insults have already been mentioned<BR>> ><BR>> > -"And you don't, Matt? Just press delete and save the lectures for your<BR>> > kids." Dec 1<BR>> > Should this be construed as an attempt of silence?<BR>> ><BR>> > -"Liberals are liberals, you're<BR>> > either for global warming or against it, and conservative Christians hate<BR>> > Muslims." Dec 1<BR>> ><BR>> > Hmm I'm Christian and have conservative beliefs. I don't hate muslims. Just<BR>> > another smug ignorant comment.<BR>> ><BR>> > -"Spell check, Roger. You have it, use it." Nov 29<BR>> ><BR>> > I wonder if you would say this comment to Tom or Keely in that tone.<BR>> ><BR>> > -"Long story short: if you'd stop telling me what I can or cannot freely<BR>> > talk about on the V, I'd be happy to leave you out of it altogether.<BR>> > On the other hand, if you are going to get in my face, I'm going to<BR>> > get back in yours. That's just how we roll in Jersey. Sorry you got<BR>> > the news a bit late!"<BR>> ><BR>> > wow.<BR>> ><BR>> > There are more examples but I'm done with this. Also, I will further spare<BR>> > the fine people of the Viz of our adolescent conversation.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > My offer of a cup of coffee or a brew still stands.<BR>> ><BR>> > Happy B day<BR>> ><BR>> > Matt<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 05:31:12 -0800<BR>> >> From: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<BR>> >> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] The Vision 2020 Mission Statement<BR>> >><BR>> >> Tomorrow is my birthday and as a birthday present to Darrell and<BR>> >> everyone else, I've decided to make this my last post on the topic.<BR>> >> Time off for good behavior, so to speak.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Suppose I asked Dan or Matt or Darrell to destroy all of their guns<BR>> >> and to stop buying new ones. What would they do? Likely they would<BR>> >> laugh. So maybe that's the approach I'll take to Darrell or Matt the<BR>> >> next time they'll try to prevent me from exercising my right to free<BR>> >> speech: I'll stop talking about what I want, when you destroy all of<BR>> >> your guns and promise never to buy another one!<BR>> >><BR>> >> On Dec 1 00:17:15 Darrell wrote: “Here is our Mission Statement.<BR>> >> Perhaps it should be posted periodically, so that people might read<BR>> >> it. It is one of the reasons<BR>> >> I initially signed on to V2020.” After posting it, he wrote: “Does<BR>> >> this much focus on one topic help us to achieve our mission? I submit<BR>> >> that it does not.”<BR>> >><BR>> >> I’ve already dealt with the suggestion that V2020 focuses too much<BR>> >> attention on Christ Church and NSA. Based on recent findings, we do<BR>> >> not. This is just a myth that folks from the right like to spread. But<BR>> >> is there anything contrary to discussing this issue in the Mission<BR>> >> Statement? Here it is, as quoted from Darrell’s post.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Vision 2020 Mission Statement Adopted March 1995:<BR>> >><BR>> >> 1. To ensure that all parts of our community have an opportunity to<BR>> >> take part in visualizing and planning for the community's future.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 2. To strengthen citizens' sense of community by promoting awareness,<BR>> >> ownership and investment in Moscow's future.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 3. To foster cooperation among (and public involvement with) the<BR>> >> agencies and organizations that plan for and make decisions about the<BR>> >> future of Moscow and Latah County.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 4. To raise awareness on the part of citizens and public officials that:<BR>> >> a. uncontrolled and unplanned growth may have negative effects.<BR>> >> b. short-term decisions have long-term consequences.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 5. To inform ourselves about growth and development issues.<BR>> >><BR>> >> 6. To have fun thinking critically and creatively.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Keep in mind that NO posts meet all of these criteria, so that can’t<BR>> >> be the basis of satisfying the Mission Statement. A better idea is<BR>> >> that posts must meet at least one of the criteria. I have fun thinking<BR>> >> critically and creatively about Christ Church and NSA. Sure that is<BR>> >> not everyone’s idea of fun but it is my idea of fun, so I’m going to<BR>> >> keep doing it!<BR>> >><BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> >> http://www.fsr.net<BR>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> =======================================================<BR>> ><BR> </body>
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