Mr. Keim, when someone contacts you off-list, I believe it is customary and proper to reply to them off-list as opposed to on-list. I think an off-list contact implies that they do not necessarily wish for their words to be public. Please be mindful of this. At the very least, anyone who receives an off-list contact from me should assume that my words are not to be made public without my permission. I would suspect others might feel the same about their own off-list contacts.<br>
<br>-Reggie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Darrell Keim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
A fair viewpoint, Nick. I suspect you view it as a somewhat literal call to arms.<div><br></div><div>I view it as advertising hyperbole. They are preparing their students to do these things metaphorically. I base this off meetings I've had in the past with all three CC based institutions. They all basically said: We are attempting to prepare our students/parishioners with the knowledge to defend and advocate for their moral beliefs in an increasingly immoral world.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This ad simply states similarly in a way designed to catch the eye of their target market.</div><div><br></div><div>If they are being literal, they better step up their physical education program (ha-ha!)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Gier, Nicholas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu" target="_blank">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font size="2">Hi Darrell,<br>
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I disagree. Whatever one's political persuasion any reasonable human being would say that this NSA blurb is violent rhetoric and it should be condemned.<br>
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If a Muslim website had language like this on, the FBI would be on it in a second.<br>
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Really surprised at your response.<br>
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Nick<br>
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Nicholas F. Gier, Professor Emeritus<br>
Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho<br>
"The Palouse Pundit" on Radio Free Moscow, 92.5 FM<br>
President, Idaho Federation of Teachers, AFT/AFL-CIO <a href="http://www.idaho-aft.org/ift.htm" target="_blank">www.idaho-aft.org/ift.htm</a><br>
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crusaders vs. Infidels: Moscow's MuscularChristianity<br>
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My summary of the new advertising campaign:<br>
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New envelope, same old Christmas letter inside.<br>
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Liberals will hate it, middle of the road folks won't care, and Christian<br>
conservatives-their target market-will love it.<br>
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And, no Nick, I didn't say enough had been said. If there is new info to<br>
discuss about CC-good or bad-I want to hear it. I tried to say that<br>
rehashing the old doesn't seem to be of benefit. Small, but important<br>
nuance there. Probably my fault though, as others also missed the nuance.<br>
Easy to do, as I was recently reminded. Email doesn't do nuance very well.<br>
C'est la vie!<br>
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 1:36 PM, <<a href="mailto:nickgier@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">nickgier@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Greetings:<br>
><br>
> Despite Darrell Keim's belief that enough has been said about Christ Church<br>
> and NSA, their recruiting blurb is simply beyond the pale.<br>
><br>
> This is my radio commentary/column for the week and the full version is<br>
> attached as a PDF file. I direct you to my Logos School revision of West<br>
> Side Story at the end.<br>
><br>
> Read everything that I've written about Pastor Wilson at<br>
> <a href="http://www.home.roadrunner.com/%7Enickgier/Wilson.htm" target="_blank">www.home.roadrunner.com/~nickgier/Wilson.htm</a>.<br>
><br>
> Nick<br>
><br>
> THE CRUSADERS VS. THE INFIDELS:MOSCOW'S MUSCULAR CHRISTIANITY<br>
><br>
> A long war is a small price to pay for eternal peace.<br>
><br>
> --found on a toilet stall wall<br>
><br>
> I don't often cruise the website of New St. Andrews College (<a href="http://www.nsa.edu" target="_blank">www.nsa.edu</a>),<br>
> Moscow's small Christian college, so the new recruiting campaign gave me<br>
> quite a jolt. The headline is "Yo, Secularism, Why Don't We Step into the<br>
> Alley?"<br>
><br>
> The blurb describes the NSA faculty as "not timid in a rumble," and they<br>
> want to make the students "dangerous" so that they can "throw the lies of<br>
> this age up against the wall, lifting wallets and the occasional gift card."<br>
> It ends with "an invitation to a brawl."<br>
><br>
> Is NSA a Christ-centered liberal arts college or a fighting club? If it is<br>
> the latter, then its conditional use permit should be reviewed.<br>
><br>
> After the initial shock receded, my first thought was "How can they<br>
> possibly recruit young women with this raw machismo"? Out of seven images<br>
> (two with real tough guys) only one includes female students.<br>
><br>
> Silly me, I forgot that some females might want to go to a college where<br>
> they can meet "real" Christian men to whom they can be properly submissive.<br>
> These religious brawlers would defend their honor in an alley or anywhere<br>
> for that matter.<br>
><br>
> NSA men, however, would not defend their ladies' right to vote. According<br>
> to NSA's founder, Douglas Wilson, misguided women might decide to cancel out<br>
> their husband's wise choices in church and political matters.<br>
> Wilson also believes that only propertied males should vote. Deliciously<br>
> ironic, however, is the fact that Wilson encourages all of this congregates<br>
> at Christ Church to vote for conservative candidates.<br>
><br>
> The phrase "muscular Christianity" came out of the Victorian Age, where<br>
> Charles Kingsley and Thomas Hughes encouraged young men to combine Christian<br>
> ideals with physical conditioning. Thanks to muscular Christianity, I built<br>
> up some pretty nice biceps at the local gym of the Young Men's Christian<br>
> Association, but I still ended up with the Unitarians, who of course can't<br>
> fight their way out of a wet paper bag.<br>
><br>
> NSA does have sports teams, but "pumpkin" rugby has replaced lacrosse (too<br>
> feminine?), and there is a "girls" volleyball team. Some of the senior<br>
> faculty, however, look like they have not been to a gym in ages.<br>
><br>
> In 1964 Douglas' father Jim Wilson wrote a small book entitled "Principles<br>
> of War: A Handbook on Strategic Evangelism." I once told Wilson Pere that I<br>
> thought that upraised sword on the front cover of the book was rather<br>
> provocative, but he just shrugged his shoulders and said that he only meant<br>
> spiritual warfare. Being thrown up against a wall sounds pretty physical to<br>
> me.<br>
><br>
> Has Douglas Wilson's "Trinitarian skylarking" now turned into godly gang<br>
> warfare? An example of the former is an outrageous April Fool's stunt. NSA<br>
> students stole University of Idaho letterhead and used the English<br>
> department's FAX line to announce a feminist scholar who would lecture<br>
> topless. Wilson later admitted encouraging his students to do the deed.<br>
><br>
> Douglas Wilson also established Logos School, whose K-12 students, I'm<br>
> told, put on some very good plays. I would like to propose that they do an<br>
> adaptation of West Side Story. Instead of the white working class Jets and<br>
> the Puerto Rican Sharks, the gangs should be renamed the Crusaders and the<br>
> Infidels.<br>
><br>
> I foresee two snags in this version of the play. Although the killing of<br>
> Maria's brother by the Jet's Tony could go ahead, the love story between<br>
> Christian Tony and non-Christian Maria would be a real stretch. NSA men<br>
> must get the permission from a potential date's father, or from Wilson in<br>
> loco parentis. Even more problematic is the fact that there can be no truce<br>
> between the gangs at the end. For Wilson and other conservative<br>
> evangelicals, there will be bitter warfare until Christ comes to smite the<br>
> infidels.<br>
><br>
> As a "post-millennialist" Wilson believes that there will a 1,000 year<br>
> Christian theocracy with strict enforcement of biblical law until Christ<br>
> deigns to appear. I might prefer to get it over with more quickly in the<br>
> "pre-millennial" Rapture. I'll paraphrase Milton's Satan: I would rather<br>
> fry in the Rapture and take my chances in Hell rather than serve oppressive<br>
> Christian masters.<br>
><br>
> Sometime in the late 1970s, I found a saying on a toilet stall wall near my<br>
> campus office. Compared to most toilet graffiti, this one was quite<br>
> sophisticated and a bit puzzling: "A long war is a small price to pay for<br>
> eternal peace." One might ask: What kind of peace is this when everyone who<br>
> has not converted to your religion has been killed?<br>
><br>
> Nick Gier taught religion and philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31<br>
> years.<br>
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