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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I don't know a thing about "facebook." It
must be quite something to be the equivalent of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, CNN,
NPR, etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Many Jews think Catholics are up start,
Johnny come latelys and are in doctrinal error, Many Catholics feel the
same about Protestants, Many Protestants feel the same about the LDS etc. etc.
etc. It is the story of religion in the world that congregations, churches,
sects, whatever feel that they are on the true path and that others have yet to
see the light. That Mr. Bouma's Pastor felt that way isn't some sort of major
news story, it was a branch with which to beat a candidate with which a group
didn't agree.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>For another Pastor to make comments
stating that the country the candidate was seeking to lead deserved what
happened on 11 September, that God should damn that same country, and that that
county had concocted dread diseases and inflicted them on the world, that is a
completely different thing as I suspect you are well aware.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I see that the old Joe has returned, I
also think that most folks on this forum see the inevitable conclusion of that
home coming. Please take the last word, I don't want to subject the rest of the
gang to what is sure to follow. I'm done.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:41 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com>"><vpschwaller@gmail.com></A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><vision2020@moscow.com></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Ike "I Hate Democrats" Young's dad, as could be seen on his Facebook page.
I noticed it here on the V when Tom posted a link during the short-lived (and
nit really ever fully substantiated) "flyer-gate" scandal.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now that I have your attention, I've been wanting to ask you, why did you
change your tune this election from two years ago? Recall two years ago when No
Weatherman was posting by the hour his interesting (though racist) inquiries
concerning Obama's religious views, etc. especially whether he was a Muslim. Why
were those questions fair, a view you offered time and time again, yet questions
about Bouma's religion somehow off bounds? Or at any rate, why weren't the
right's of people to ask those questions defended with the same zeal that you,
Roger, and other local Republicans defended No Weatherman's? </DIV>
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<DIV>Is it that first amendment speech rights apply to Republicans during
election years but not to Democrats? That first amendment rights of religious
expression have a hidden footnote suggesting it really only applies to
Christians yet not Muslims or Mormons? Is it that only the second amendment is
absolute and that the first can be ignored by local Republicans when the see
fit? Or is it that as a matter of personal taste you enjoyed reading the racist
rants of No Weatherman more than honest questions and concerns about whether a
local candidate for state office held offensive views toward
Mormons?<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:18 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>The father of a local Republican
candidate vs. The President. You're right, strikes me as being about equal in
throw weight. I'm guessing that this local father, who ever it is you're
talking about, was receiving major media coverage on an hour by hour basis.
Perhaps you'd care to provide a cite to the radio, television, or
newspaper coverage of local daddy's daily disparagement?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:13 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely
emerinemix</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">vpschwaller@gmail.com</A>></A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com> CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>You write: "Y<SPAN
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to even acknowledge their presence other than to taunt them as
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<DIV>For crying out loud, local Republicans ran a candidate whose father
called Democrats "communists" on a daily basis and neither you nor any of your
friends said a damn thing. I cannot imagine a Democrat getting away with that
crap. So please save your lectures about intolerance and hostility among
progressives. Obama will do more with Republican leadership than your
stonewalling Republican leadership ever did with him. <BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:47 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><A
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A></A>>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3 face=Calibri>Reading a little much into a
subject line aren’t we?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3 face=Calibri>I'm a little curious as to
how daunting you imagine "<FONT color=#ff0000>facing down an
unremittingly hostile GOP in his first half-term.</FONT><FONT
color=#000000>" is likely to have been. Your paragon of masculine virtue had
absolutely no need to even acknowledge their presence other than
to taunt them as the source of all ills, castigate
them as "enemies" and consign them to "the back of the bus." The cold hard
facts of the matter are that the president had a veto proof, filibuster
proof majority and could do as he pleased without so much as a Republican by
your leave. The only disappointments to be suffered were at the hands of
other democrats.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:47 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">vpschwaller@gmail.com</A></A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Gee, Glenndale, with talk of the President's "manning up,"
you sound as rough and tumble as Christine O'Donnell, Sarah Palin, and
Sharron Angle. I suppose that makes you da man . . . or da
men. Good for you.<BR><BR>It looks like you're interpreting the
Huffington Post article as an introduction to Obama 2.0, Manlier Version
(Chest Hair Sold Separately). I guess, then, that I'd be correct in
concluding that you think that some sort of cowardice, softness, and
limp-wristedness is behind Obama's difficulties over the past two
years. Care to confirm, with examples? Because I think a lot of
us who have had our disappointments with him haven't really ever given due
consideration to any lack of bravery or toughness on his part. I know
you know a lot about bravery and toughness, so I'm hoping you can shed some
light on this for us. I know you wouldn't hold a guy's intellect,
education, or bearing against him -- you've probably met a few manly
Classicists in your life -- so I'm really interested in hearing how he
hasn't "manned up" while facing down an unremittingly hostile GOP in his
first half-term.<BR><BR>It's true that Barack Obama doesn't taunt our
enemies on a destroyer in wartime while wearing a crotch-enhancing
flightsuit, but I just guess I always assumed he was "man enough" for the
job. Since I know we can agree that people who hide behind pseudonyms
or anonymity aren't terribly gutsy, I await your analysis.<BR><BR><FONT
color=#8064a2><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size=3><FONT
face=Verdana>Keely<BR><A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A></A><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>>
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:57:58 -0700<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com"><A
href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">vpschwaller@gmail.com</A></A><BR>>
To: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></A><BR>>
Subject: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up<BR>> <BR>> >From the Huffington
Post:<BR>> <BR>> A chastened President Barack Obama signaled a
willingness to<BR>> compromise with Republicans on tax cuts and energy
policy Wednesday,<BR>> one day after his party lost control of the House
and suffered deep<BR>> Senate losses in midterm elections.<BR>>
<BR>> Obama ruefully called the Republican victories "a shellacking"
and<BR>> acknowledged that his own connection with the public had
frayed.<BR>> <BR>> At a White House news conference, the president
said that when<BR>> Congress returns, "my goal is to make sure we don't
have a huge spike<BR>> in taxes for middle class families." He made no
mention of his<BR>> campaign-long insistence that tax cuts be permitted
to expire on<BR>> upper-income families, a position he said would avoid
swelling the<BR>> deficit but put him in conflict with
Republicans.<BR>> <BR>> He also virtually abandoned his legislation –
hopelessly stalled in<BR>> the Senate – featuring economic incentives to
reduce carbon emissions<BR>> from power plants, vehicles and other
sources.<BR>> <BR>> "I'm going to be looking for other means of
addressing this problem,"<BR>> he said. "Cap and trade was just one way
of skinning the cat," he<BR>> said, strongly implying there will be
others.<BR>> <BR>> In the campaign, Republicans slammed the bill as a
"national energy<BR>> tax" and jobs killer, and numerous Democrats sought
to emphasize their<BR>> opposition to the measure during their own
re-election races.<BR>> <BR>> The president opened his post-election
news conference by saying<BR>> voters who felt frustrated by the sluggish
pace of economic recovery<BR>> had dictated the Republican takeover in
the House.<BR>> <BR>> Asked to reflect on the returns, he said, "I
feel bad," adding that<BR>> many Democrats who went down to defeat had
done so knowing they risked<BR>> their careers to support his agenda of
economic stimulus legislation<BR>> and a landmark health care bill. He
blamed himself, in part.<BR>> <BR>> "The relationship that I've had
with the American people is one that<BR>> built slowly, peaked at this
incredible high, and then during the<BR>> course of the last two years,
as we've together gone through some very<BR>> difficult times, has gotten
rockier and tougher," Obama said.<BR>> <BR>>
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