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<DIV><FONT size=2>It is not clear if "Rob Waters" is actually your real name,
but your posts resemble those of certain members of an infamous local
cult whose methods of presentation use the tricks discussed in <EM>How to
Lie with Statistics </EM>by Darrell Huff.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>For example, your claim that moderately to very successful people pay
25% - 37% of their income in federal taxes. Wrong! See</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html">http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html</A>
See Table 1. You only exaggerated by doubling the percent. 25% -
37% is paid on the amount exceeding a certain <STRONG>net</STRONG> income
amount (income after all tax breaks have been taken). I leave it to you to
read the actual figures presented and the accompanying discussion.</DIV>
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<DIV>What you have also dishonestly omitted is that 2/3 of all for-profit U.S.
corporations pay no federal income tax at all. See</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/business/13tax.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/13/business/13tax.html</A></DIV>
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<DIV>The rest of your so-called facts are similarly inaccurate and
incomplete.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It didn't take long from your first appearance on Vision 2020 to
show yourself as an arrogant liar. Good luck in trying to engage anyone
here in a meaningful discussion unless you give a believable source for your
so-called facts.</DIV>
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<DIV>People from all over the political continuum agree that tax laws need to be
changed. Lying does not help forward the discussion of this issue.
In your case it gives the impression that conservatives need to lie to attempt
to persuade others that their position on tax policy is correct. I don't
think all conservatives lie, but those that do weaken the honest conservatives'
positions and make all of us suspicious of their motives.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When I first read your posts, I thought: "Here is some liberal trying
to make conservatives look stupid and uninformed." Perhaps that is the
case, or your posts are attempt to distract some of us from other issues
now simmering just below boil whose revelation might be found embarrassing by a
number of people, or you really are stupid and uninformed.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=robwaters74@gmail.com href="mailto:robwaters74@gmail.com">Rob
Waters</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 01, 2010 9:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Latah County
Election Summ ary and CandidateComparison</DIV>
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<DIV>Sandra, </DIV>
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<DIV>Thank you for the long, thoughtful post. I'm trying to get some other
work done tonight, but thought I should give you at least a brief reply. Given
your quote below which makes your perspective fairly clear, even if I were
Hemingway, I doubt I will make much headway.</DIV>
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<DIV>Moderately successful people to very successful people are already taxed
between 36% and 65%. </DIV>
<DIV>Fed tax of 25-37%, </DIV>
<DIV>SS tax of 6+-13% Depending if you are self employed</DIV>
<DIV>State tax of 5-12%</DIV>
<DIV>Add disablility, unemployement taxes, etc and you get real quick to
65%</DIV>
<DIV>(These are resonably accurate estimates)</DIV>
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<DIV>You may think this is not high enough, but most people will quit
producing if 2 of every 3 dollars goes to the government. Millionaire taxes in
several states have already shown this. You quickly get into diminishing
returns and not only do you begin to loose taxes from the rich, but also the
people they no longer hire. You can only wring so much blood out of the
"Golden Goose" before you kill it. It may pain you to hear this, but most
people don't work 10-15 hour days to run a successful business, so
they can do their civic duty and give it to the government. People with money
don't have to work. </DIV>
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<DIV>The only people paying little or no tax are people under about 40K which
is probably 90% of the population, and I bet you don't want to tax them at
all.</DIV>
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<DIV>So that leaves BIG budget cuts...</DIV>
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<DIV>Rob</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Saundra Lund <SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Given the
incredible debt that’s been amassed due to the war-mongering of the
industrial-military complex, I remain quite interested what solutions
anti-tax advocates recommend that don’t throw their fellow Americans under
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