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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"getting things done"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> lib speak translation:
"incinerating</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2> tax dollars"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Republican friends, tell me, why should we not allow the city to
maintain/update infrastructure?"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because often, rather than spending money on
essentials such as repair and maintanence of roads, bridges, water and sewer
systems it is blown on far less vital frivolities such as light rail,
intermodal transfer facilities, and urban renewal projects best left to the
private sector.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=lfalen@turbonet.com
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and
5</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>That would make sense if this was not a Representative
Democracy. Need I further elucidate this concept? Regardless, let
me stake out a middle ground. The super-majority is appropriate for some
pieces of legislation. But, if the super-majority is required too much
of the time, government will never get anything done and the country
will(has?) atrophy(ied?). The most prevalent example of this on the
National scene is the GOP abuse of the filibuster.<BR><BR>I believe that in
the case of these two amendments it is appropriate to drop the 2/3rds majority
requirement. In this time of partisan politics, 2/3rds majority is very
difficult to attain on <I>any</I> issue, no matter how reasonable the
issue. If the city needs to borrow money, for example, in order to
maintain and update infrastructure, this makes sense to me. It is likely
cheaper to maintain and update this infrastructure now than it would be to do
so in the future. I think this issue boils down to whether or not it is
a good idea for the city to borrow money in order to maintain/update
infrastructure. Republican friends, tell me, why should we not allow the
city to maintain/update infrastructure?<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:54 AM, lfalen <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">According
to this line of thought, you should be in favor of repealing the health care
bill, since polls show over 60% of the people do not like it.<BR>Roger<BR>
<DIV class=im>-----Original message-----<BR>From: "Tom Hansen" <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=im>Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:56:10 -0700<BR>To: "Reggie
Holmquist" <A
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu</A><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5>> Exactly.<BR>><BR>> Rule by majority is the basis
for our representative republic.<BR>><BR>> Do away with the super
majority!<BR>><BR>> The two-thirds vote is the primary reason why
crucial issues are<BR>> filibustered.<BR>><BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>>
Moscow, Idaho<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> On Mon, October 25,
2010 12:46 pm, Reggie Holmquist wrote:<BR>> > I, too, am having
trouble seeing why a 2/3 vote is democracy, but a<BR>> >
majority<BR>> > vote somehow isn't. And since when is over 50%
of the electorate a<BR>> > "handful<BR>> > of people?"<BR>>
><BR>> > -Reggie<BR>> ><BR>> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at
12:14 PM, Darrell Keim <<A
href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">keim153@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>
><BR>> >> That was one of my thoughts upon reading D's comments
this morning. My<BR>> >> other thought was that D either
doesn't like or doesn't understand that<BR>> >> we<BR>> >>
live in a representative democracy. We elect representatives to vote
on<BR>> >> things for us. D seems to advocate either:<BR>>
>> 1. A pure democracy.<BR>> >> 2. More use of
ballot initiatives (ala Tim Eyman in WA, or California).<BR>>
>><BR>> >> I like our system of representative democracy, and
prefer not to<BR>> >> circumvent<BR>> >> it with countless
ballot initiatives. California would seem to be a<BR>> >>
good<BR>> >> warning as to the dangers of too many
initiatives.<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Sue Hovey <<A
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>>
>><BR>> >>> And since when is a required 2/3 yes
vote democratic? Those of us<BR>> >>> who<BR>>
>>> taught in antiquated school buildings for 30 plus years can
certainly<BR>> >>> speak<BR>> >>> to that....as
could you who went there.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
Sue<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *From:* Donovan Arnold
<<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2010 11:58 AM<BR>> >>>
*To:* <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ;
ringoshirl <<A
href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> "It's very limiting for these
entities to need a 2/3 favorable vote<BR>> >>> every time they
need to make these purchases that they need for their<BR>> >>>
operations."-S. Ringo<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Democracy is
so inconvenient isn't it?<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> I think it is good practice to have a 2/3 vote before incurring
any<BR>> >>> debt<BR>> >>> and bad practice to let a
handful of people rack up a debt for future<BR>> >>> generations
and others to absorb. I think if something truly is needed<BR>>
>>> and<BR>> >>> debt needs to be incurred reasonable
people will support it and it will<BR>> >>> pass. We cannot just
let hospitals go bankrupt and shut down let other<BR>> >>>
businesses, we need them.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Again,
people should not keep handing over their money and rights to an<BR>>
>>> increasingly smaller number of people that may have other
interests<BR>> >>> than<BR>> >>> your own in
mind.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Donovan J Arnold<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> --- On *Mon, 10/25/10, ringoshirl <<A
href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>>*
wrote:<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> From:
ringoshirl <<A
href="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5<BR>> >>> To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
>>> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 5:32 AM<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Visionaries:<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> I support both of these. It's very
limiting for these entities to need<BR>> >>> a<BR>>
>>> 2/3 favorable vote every time they need to make these purchases
that<BR>> >>> they<BR>> >>> need for their
operations. This does not affect Gritman.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Shirley<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> H.J.R. 4<BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> “Shall Section 3C, Article VIII, of the
Constitution of the State of<BR>> >>> Idaho<BR>> >>>
be amended to authorize<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> public
hospitals, ancillary to their operations and in furtherance of<BR>>
>>> health care needs in their service<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> areas, to incur indebtedness or liability to purchase,
contract, lease<BR>> >>> or<BR>> >>> construct or
otherwise acquire<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> facilities,
equipment, technology and real property for health care<BR>> >>>
operations, provided that no ad<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
valorem tax revenues shall be used for such activities?”<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Proposed Amendment to the Constitution of
the State of Idaho: Section<BR>> >>> 3C,<BR>> >>>
Article VIII<BR>> >>> *<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Legislative Council’s Statement of Meaning, Purpose and Result
to be<BR>> >>> Accomplished of Proposed<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Amendment:<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> *<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> This proposed
amendment will allow public hospitals to acquire<BR>> >>>
facilities,<BR>> >>> equipment, technology and<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> real property through a variety of means
that aid the public hospital<BR>> >>> operations, as long as the
acquisitions<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> are paid for solely
from charges, rents or payments derived from the<BR>> >>>
existing or financed facilities and<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> are not funded by property taxes. Under current Idaho
constitutional<BR>> >>> provisions, public hospitals, as<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> subdivisions of the state of Idaho, have
limited ability to incur debt<BR>> >>> without the approval of a
two-thirds<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> vote at an election
held for that purpose. This proposed amendment will<BR>> >>>
provide a limited alternative<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> to
that two-thirds vote requirement. The use of tax dollars to finance<BR>>
>>> these kinds of investments is<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> prohibited.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Statements FOR the Proposed
Amendment<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> 1. The proposed amendment will allow
Idaho’s public hospitals, which<BR>> >>> are<BR>>
>>> primarily located in<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
small towns and rural areas, to invest in new medical equipment,<BR>>
>>> facilities and technology to<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> better meet the health care needs of patients in their
communities,<BR>> >>> strengthening Idaho’s entire<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> health care system.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> 2. The proposed amendment will help give
public hospitals the resources<BR>> >>> they need to attract
the<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> best medical personnel, spur
the economy by creating jobs, and increase<BR>> >>> operational
efficiency<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> through long-term
contracts.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 3. The proposed
amendment keeps in place the safeguards provided in the<BR>> >>>
Idaho Constitution in<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> two ways.
First, no tax dollars can be used to finance these<BR>> >>>
investments.<BR>> >>> Second, the amendment<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> strictly forbids obligating taxpayers or
any state, county or other<BR>> >>> governmental entity with
these<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> investments.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> *<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Statements AGAINST the Proposed Amendment<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> *<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> 1. The existing Idaho constitutional requirement mandating a
two-thirds<BR>> >>> assent of the voters before<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> a public hospital can enter into long-term
debt is an important<BR>> >>> safeguard<BR>> >>> for
all Idaho citizens.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 2. Adoption of
the proposed amendment will limit the right of voters to<BR>>
>>> approve certain debt<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
incurred by the public hospitals.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
3. Changes to the Constitution should be made only for major issues
of<BR>> >>> interest to the state or in the<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> event of a constitutional crisis.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> *<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> H.J.R. 5<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> “Shall Article VIII, of the Constitution
of the State of Idaho be<BR>> >>> amended<BR>> >>>
by the addition of a new<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Section
3E, to provide for the issuance of revenue and special facility<BR>>
>>> bonds by political subdivisions<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> of the state and regional airport authorities as defined by
law, if<BR>> >>> operating an airport to acquire,<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> construct, install, and equip land,
facilities, buildings, projects or<BR>> >>> other property,
which are hereby<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> deemed to be for
a public purpose, to be financed for, or to be leased,<BR>> >>>
sold or otherwise disposed of<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> to
persons, associations or corporations, or to be held by the<BR>>
>>> subdivision<BR>> >>> or regional airport
authority,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> and may in the manner
prescribed by law issue revenue and special<BR>> >>>
facility<BR>> >>> bonds to finance the costs<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> thereof; provided that any such bonds
shall be payable solely from<BR>> >>> fees,<BR>> >>>
charges, rents, payments,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> grants,
or any other revenues derived from the airport or any of its<BR>>
>>> facilities, structures, systems, or<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> projects, or from any land, facilities,
buildings, projects or other<BR>> >>> property financed by such
bonds,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> and shall not be secured by
the full faith and credit or the taxing<BR>> >>> power<BR>>
>>> of the subdivision or regional<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> airport authority?”<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
Proposed Amendment to the Constitution of the State of Idaho: New<BR>>
>>> Section<BR>> >>> 3E, Article VIII<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> *<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Legislative Council’s Statement of Meaning, Purpose and Result
to be<BR>> >>> Accomplished of Proposed<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Amendment:<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> *<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Currently, local
governmental entities that operate airports and<BR>> >>>
regional<BR>> >>> airport authorities cannot<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> incur indebtedness without the approval of
a two-thirds vote at an<BR>> >>> election held for that purpose.
This<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> proposed amendment will allow
local governmental entities that operate<BR>> >>> airports and
regional airport<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> authorities to
issue revenue and special facility bonds to acquire,<BR>> >>>
construct, install and equip land,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
facilities, buildings, projects or other property. Voter approval
will<BR>> >>> not<BR>> >>> be required to incur
such<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> indebtedness, as long as the
bonds are paid for by fees, charges,<BR>> >>> rents,<BR>>
>>> payments, grants or other<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> revenues derived from the airport or its facilities. The use of
tax<BR>> >>> dollars to repay such bonds is<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> prohibited.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> *<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Statements FOR the
Proposed Amendment<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> 1. Public airports should have the ready
ability to construct needed<BR>> >>> facilities, such as
terminals,<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> runways, parking
structures and hangars, which provide travelers with<BR>> >>>
better services and<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> accommodations
and attract industries to Idaho as long as the users pay<BR>>
>>> for these facilities.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
2. Political subdivisions and regional airport authorities need the<BR>>
>>> ability to efficiently address<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> operational needs as they arise. Adoption of this amendment
will<BR>> >>> provide<BR>> >>> this ability without
the<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> use of tax dollars to repay
any debt or liability incurred.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 3.
The inability of political subdivisions and regional airport<BR>>
>>> authorities to incur indebtedness and<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> liability without voter approval has been
a contributing factor in<BR>> >>> driving<BR>> >>>
regional aviation-related<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
industries to conduct business in neighboring states. If the
proposed<BR>> >>> amendment is not adopted,<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Idaho could continue to lose similar
economic development<BR>> >>> opportunities.<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> 4. Public airports are a vital part of
economic development and<BR>> >>> commerce<BR>> >>>
in the state of Idaho. In<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 2009,
aviation contributed an estimated $2.1 billion to Idaho’s<BR>>
>>> economy.<BR>> >>> Properties and facilities<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> funded by special facility bonds will
attract and expand industries,<BR>> >>> such<BR>>
>>> as maintenance, manu<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
facturing<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> and cargo operations,
which will create new jobs and foster economic<BR>> >>>
development in<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> Idaho. Modern and
efficient airports are essential to Idaho’s<BR>> >>>
prosperity.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> Statements AGAINST the Proposed Amendment
(H.J.R. 5 Continued)<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> *<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> 1. The existing Idaho constitutional
requirement mandating a two-thirds<BR>> >>> assent of the voters
before<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> a political subdivision or
regional airport authority can incur debt is<BR>> >>> an<BR>>
>>> important safeguard for<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> all Idaho citizens.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
2. Adoption of the proposed amendment will allow political
subdivisions<BR>> >>> and regional airport<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> authorities to acquire, construct, install
and equip land, facilities,<BR>> >>> buildings and projects that
are<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> not specifically limited to
airport operations.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 3. Buildings
and land owned by the government are not taxed and<BR>> >>>
therefore<BR>> >>> provide no revenues to<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> schools, cities, counties or other levying
authorities. Adoption of the<BR>> >>> proposed amendment
could<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> result in an increase in
property exempt from taxation.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> 4.
Changes to the Constitution should be made only for major issues of<BR>>
>>> interest to the entire state<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> or in the event of a constitutional crisis.<BR>>
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