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<DIV><EM>"I could go on and on about the blasphemy and the heresy of the
Mormon religion, but suffice it to say that when Glenn Beck tells you that
you serve the same god that he does, he's a liar.</EM>"</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lloyd Knerr 29 August 2010</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To make the claim that you got the
statement "<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> that Mormons who say they
believe in God are liars" <FONT face=Arial size=2>directly from the Freeze
Church web site is incorrect. Saying that they don't believe in the same God is
very different from saying they lie if they claim to believe in God.
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I very much disagree with the first statement as
made by Mr. Knerr but, to mangle it into something more provocative for
political reasons is unnecessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] HJR 7</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The debt was raised by Bush. Before that it was raised by
Reagan. Clinton brought the debt down, Bush brought it back up, and it has
come down since Obama took office, at least according to statistics I looked
at yesterday. If you are really against the debt you should have been against
the two wars started by Bush, which had more to do with the debt raising than
anything else. I don't see you saying anything about that, so I find your debt
concerns insincere at best. At worst, it is scary noise intended for illicit
political purposes.
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<DIV>On another note, do you think that Mormons who say they believe in God
are liars, like Bouma's pastor? Wouldn't you like to know if Bouma thinks that
Mormons who say they believe in God are liars? And, no, I didn't get this news
from the sleazy Bouma postcard, as the sleazy editorial in yesterdays DN
suggests. I got it from the Freeze Church website. The issue is the website
and the views of radical, political local churches and Bouma's affiliation
with one of them. The postcard is the noise in this case.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Let's try to keep things straight and let the public make decisions based
on accurate information, not scary noise.</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Donovan Arnold <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV>Joe,</DIV>
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<DIV>I am not asking we vote on everything. I am just asking we still
vote on going into debt. Isn't that the fiscally responsible thing to
do? Is it honestly ethical to ask future generations to pay $10
Trillion worth of debt without even a vote on if it is a good idea or
not? The baby boomer generation is the first generation in US History
to make things worse, not better, for following generations. What
honestly do they have to show for this debt handed down? The
generation in charge needs to practice paygo, not keep debiting
everything to their children and grandchildren as the solution to
every problem. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan J. Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/25/10, Joe Campbell
<I><<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Joe Campbell <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>>
<DIV class=im><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] HJR 7<BR></DIV>To:
"Donovan Arnold" <<A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: "<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date: Monday, October
25, 2010, 4:53 PM
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<DIV>Why not scrap state government altogether and let people vote
on every single issue? Then we'll start to save money! Then we'll
get things done!<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Donovan Arnold <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>>
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<DIV>I object to this <SPAN><SPAN>HJR</SPAN></SPAN> 7
amendment first because it allows a city to go into
debt WITHOUT voter approval. I think if a city is going to
go into debt it should have the full 2/3 consent of its
taxpayers. It should be a basic right for citizens to vote
on this big of an issue. To eliminate it is to eliminate a
basic constitutional right of the people. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Second, I object to it because they are going to raise
the rates of electrical power. There is no distinction
between those that use electricity and those that pay
taxpayers, it is the same pocket that is being taken from,
regardless of if you call it taxes or increases in utility
rates. It is still an increased cost of living to every
resident, and they will not get a vote to stop it either.
And it will increase taxes as well because there are taxes
on your utility bill. Bad idea IMHO. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/25/10,
ringoshirl <I><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ringoshirl@moscow.com"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>ringoshirl</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ringoshirl@moscow.com"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] HJR 7<BR>To: <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank rel=nofollow></A><A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank
rel=nofollow>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Monday,
October 25, 2010, 5:35 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Visionaries:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I also support this one, but
here are the details.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Shirley</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
<P align=left>H.J.R. 7</P></FONT></B></DIV></DIV><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>“Shall Article VIII, of the Constitution of
the State of Idaho be amended by the addition of a
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face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>Section 3D to provide that any city owning a municipal
electric system may: </P>
<P align=left>(a) acquire, construct, install and equip electric
generating, transmission and distribution facilities </P>
<P align=left>for the purpose of supplying electricity to customers
located within the service area of each system </P>
<P></P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>established by law and
for the purpose of paying the cost thereof, may issue revenue bonds
with the</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>assent of a majority of
the qualified electors voting at an election held as provided by
law; and</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>(b) incur indebtedness or
liability under agreements to purchase, share, exchange or
transmit</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>wholesale electricity for
the use and benefit of customers located within such service
area;</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>provided that any revenue bonds, indebtedness or
liability shall be payable solely from the rates, </P>
<P align=left>charges or revenues derived from the municipal
electric system and shall not be secured by the full </P>
<P align=left>faith and credit or the taxing power of the city, the
state or any political subdivision?” </P>
<P></P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>Proposed Amendment to The
Constitution of the State of Idaho: New Section 3D, Article
VIII</FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT> </FONT></B><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></B></P><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
<P align=left>Legislative Council’s Statement of Meaning, Purpose
and Result to be Accomplished of Proposed </P></FONT></B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT><B>Amendment:</B></FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>This proposed amendment
has two parts. The first part will allow any city owning a
municipal</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>electric system to acquire, construct, install and
equip electrical generating, transmission and distribution
</P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>facilities for the
purpose of supplying electricity to customers within its service
area. The city</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>will be authorized to issue revenue bonds to pay for
such facilities, with the assent of a majority of the </P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>qualified voters,
provided that these bonds are paid for by the electrical system
rates and charges, or</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>revenues derived from the
municipal electric system, and not with tax dollars.</FONT><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT> </FONT></B><B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT><B>(H.J.R. 7
Continued)</B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>The second part of this proposed amendment will allow
any city owning a municipal electric system </P>
<P align=left>to enter into agreements to purchase, share, exchange
or transmit wholesale electricity to customers </P>
<P align=left>within its service area, without voter approval. Any
indebtedness or liability from these agreements </P>
<P align=left>will be paid for by the electrical system rates and
charges, or revenues derived from the municipal </P>
<P></P>
<P></P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>electric system, and not
with tax dollars.</FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
</FONT></B><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT><B>Statements FOR
the Proposed Amendment</B></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>1. This amendment will clarify that a city owning a
municipal electric system may enter into </P>
<P align=left>contracts or agreements for the purchase of wholesale
electricity, helping to ensure that its citizens </P>
<P align=left>have low-cost and stable electric utility rates. </P>
<P align=left>2. This amendment will allow a city owning a municipal
electric system to responsibly upgrade </P>
<P></P>
<P></P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>and modernize
electricity-related facilities and help to stabilize electric rates.
Such cities will be</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>allowed to issue revenue
bonds, with the assent of a majority of voters, in order to finance
invest</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>ment </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>in electric generation, transmission and distribution
infrastructure. </P>
<P align=left>3. This amendment provides that voter-approved revenue
bonds and other indebtedness or liability </P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>shall be payable solely
from the revenues derived from the municipal electric system. The
amend</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>ment </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>specifically provides
that the revenue bonds and other indebtedness or liability shall not
be</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>secured by the taxing
power of the city, state or any political
subdivision.</FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
</FONT></B><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></B><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT></FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT><B>Statements
AGAINST the Proposed Amendment</B></FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>1. The existing Idaho constitutional requirement
mandating a two-thirds assent of the voters before a </P>
<P align=left>city owning a municipal electric system can enter into
agreements resulting in debt is an important </P>
<P align=left>safeguard for all Idaho citizens. </P>
<P align=left>2. Currently, the Constitution requires two-thirds
assent of the voters of a city to approve the </P>
<P></P>
<P></P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>issuance of revenue bonds
by a city owning a municipal electric system. If adopted, the
proposed</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>amendment will require only a majority of the voters
to approve the issuance of revenue bonds by </P>
<P align=left>the city to finance electric generating, transmission
and distribution facilities. </P>
<P></P></FONT>
<P align=left><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>3. Changes to the
Constitution should be made only for major issues of interest to the
entire state or</FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT> </FONT><FONT
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT></FONT></P><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
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