<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>I think in instances where you straddle people with debt and take chances with the future welfare of people, more than a simple majority is needed. </DIV>
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<DIV>The more serious the issue and its consequences, the higher the vote should be. In matters of where to put a street light, a simple majority should do fine. In matters of massive debt, war, or constitutional rights a 2/3 majority should be the rule. In matters of the state taking a life, unanimous, 12 votes out of 12. </DIV>
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<DIV>To say it should always be a simple majority to change major laws would result in things like abortion laws changing to legal and illegal every other year, the same would go for same sex marriage, prayer in school, where we start and end a war. It would chaotic and make a nation look schizophrenic. </DIV>
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<DIV>And yes, I do believe in a representative government, but I also believe the people they represent should be able to place restrictions on those representatives and their power through checks and balances. One of the limitiations should be racking up a massive debt without consent of the people they will burdening with the debt. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan J. Arnold <BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/25/10, Darrell <SPAN>Keim</SPAN> <I><keim153@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Darrell <SPAN>Keim</SPAN> <keim153@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5<BR>To: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com, "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 12:14 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1377305365>That was one of my thoughts upon reading D's comments this morning. My other thought was that D either doesn't like or doesn't understand that we live in a representative democracy. We elect representatives to vote on things for us. D seems to advocate either:
<DIV>1. A pure democracy.</DIV>
<DIV>2. More use of ballot initiatives (ala Tim Eyman in WA, or California).</DIV>
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<DIV>I like our system of representative democracy, and prefer not to circumvent it with countless ballot initiatives. California would seem to be a good warning as to the dangers of too many initiatives.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1377305365gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Sue Hovey <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>And since when is a required 2/3 yes vote democratic? Those of us who taught in antiquated school buildings for 30 plus years can certainly speak to that....as could you who went there.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 25, 2010 11:58 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A title=ringoshirl@moscow.com href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ringoshirl@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>"It's very limiting for these entities to need a 2/3 favorable vote every time they need to make these purchases that they need for their operations."-S. Ringo</DIV>
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<DIV>Democracy is so inconvenient isn't it? </DIV>
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<DIV>I think it is good practice to have a 2/3 vote before incurring any debt and bad practice to let a handful of people rack up a debt for future generations and others to absorb. I think if something truly is needed and debt needs to be incurred reasonable people will support it and it will pass. We cannot just let hospitals go bankrupt and shut down let other businesses, we need them. </DIV>
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<DIV>Again, people should not keep handing over their money and rights to an increasingly smaller number of people that may have other interests than your own in mind. </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan J Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/25/10, ringoshirl <I><<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ringoshirl@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: <SPAN><SPAN>ringoshirl</SPAN></SPAN> <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ringoshirl@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ringoshirl@moscow.com">ringoshirl@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject: [Vision2020] HJR 4 and 5<BR>To: <A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 5:32 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Visionaries:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I support both of these. It's very limiting for these entities to need a 2/3 favorable vote every time they need to make these purchases that they need for their operations. This does not affect Gritman.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Shirley</FONT></DIV>
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<P align=left>H.J.R. 4</DIV></FONT></B></DIV><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>“Shall Section 3C, Article VIII, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho be amended to authorize</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<P align=left>public hospitals, ancillary to their operations and in furtherance of health care needs in their service </DIV>
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<P align=left>areas, to incur indebtedness or liability to purchase, contract, lease or construct or otherwise acquire </DIV>
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<P align=left>facilities, equipment, technology and real property for health care operations, provided that no ad </DIV>
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<P align=left>valorem tax revenues shall be used for such activities?” </DIV>
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<P align=left>Proposed Amendment to the Constitution of the State of Idaho: Section 3C, Article VIII </DIV>
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<P align=left>Legislative Council’s Statement of Meaning, Purpose and Result to be Accomplished of Proposed </DIV>
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<P align=left>Amendment: </DIV>
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<P align=left>This proposed amendment will allow public hospitals to acquire facilities, equipment, technology and </DIV>
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<P align=left>real property through a variety of means that aid the public hospital operations, as long as the acquisitions </DIV>
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<P align=left>are paid for solely from charges, rents or payments derived from the existing or financed facilities and </DIV>
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<P align=left>are not funded by property taxes. Under current Idaho constitutional provisions, public hospitals, as </DIV>
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<P align=left>subdivisions of the state of Idaho, have limited ability to incur debt without the approval of a two-thirds </DIV>
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<P align=left>vote at an election held for that purpose. This proposed amendment will provide a limited alternative </DIV>
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<P align=left>to that two-thirds vote requirement. The use of tax dollars to finance these kinds of investments is </DIV>
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<P align=left>prohibited. </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
<P align=left>Statements FOR the Proposed Amendment </DIV>
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<P align=left>1. The proposed amendment will allow Idaho’s public hospitals, which are primarily located in </DIV>
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<P align=left>small towns and rural areas, to invest in new medical equipment, facilities and technology to </DIV>
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<P align=left>better meet the health care needs of patients in their communities, strengthening Idaho’s entire </DIV>
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<P align=left>health care system. </DIV>
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<P align=left>2. The proposed amendment will help give public hospitals the resources they need to attract the </DIV>
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<P align=left>best medical personnel, spur the economy by creating jobs, and increase operational efficiency </DIV>
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<P align=left>through long-term contracts. </DIV>
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<P align=left>3. The proposed amendment keeps in place the safeguards provided in the Idaho Constitution in </DIV>
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<P align=left>two ways. First, no tax dollars can be used to finance these investments. Second, the amendment </DIV>
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<P align=left>strictly forbids obligating taxpayers or any state, county or other governmental entity with these </DIV>
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<P align=left>investments. </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
<P align=left>Statements AGAINST the Proposed Amendment </DIV>
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<P align=left>1. The existing Idaho constitutional requirement mandating a two-thirds assent of the voters before </DIV>
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<P align=left>a public hospital can enter into long-term debt is an important safeguard for all Idaho citizens. </DIV>
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<P align=left>2. Adoption of the proposed amendment will limit the right of voters to approve certain debt </DIV>
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<P align=left>incurred by the public hospitals. </DIV>
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<P align=left>3. Changes to the Constitution should be made only for major issues of interest to the state or in the </DIV>
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<P align=left>event of a constitutional crisis. </DIV>
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<P align=left>H.J.R. 5 </DIV>
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<P align=left>“Shall Article VIII, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho be amended by the addition of a new </DIV>
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<P align=left>Section 3E, to provide for the issuance of revenue and special facility bonds by political subdivisions </DIV>
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<P align=left>of the state and regional airport authorities as defined by law, if operating an airport to acquire, </DIV>
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<P align=left>construct, install, and equip land, facilities, buildings, projects or other property, which are hereby </DIV>
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<P align=left>deemed to be for a public purpose, to be financed for, or to be leased, sold or otherwise disposed of </DIV>
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<P align=left>to persons, associations or corporations, or to be held by the subdivision or regional airport authority, </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left>and may in the manner prescribed by law issue revenue and special facility bonds to finance the costs </DIV>
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<P align=left>thereof; provided that any such bonds shall be payable solely from fees, charges, rents, payments, </DIV>
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<P align=left>grants, or any other revenues derived from the airport or any of its facilities, structures, systems, or </DIV>
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<P align=left>projects, or from any land, facilities, buildings, projects or other property financed by such bonds, </DIV>
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<P align=left>and shall not be secured by the full faith and credit or the taxing power of the subdivision or regional </DIV>
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<P align=left>airport authority?” </DIV>
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<P align=left>Proposed Amendment to the Constitution of the State of Idaho: New Section 3E, Article VIII </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV></FONT><B><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPS-BoldMT>
<P align=left>Legislative Council’s Statement of Meaning, Purpose and Result to be Accomplished of Proposed </DIV>
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<P align=left>Amendment: </DIV>
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<P align=left>Currently, local governmental entities that operate airports and regional airport authorities cannot </DIV>
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<P align=left>incur indebtedness without the approval of a two-thirds vote at an election held for that purpose. This </DIV>
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<P align=left>proposed amendment will allow local governmental entities that operate airports and regional airport </DIV>
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<P align=left>authorities to issue revenue and special facility bonds to acquire, construct, install and equip land, </DIV>
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<P align=left>facilities, buildings, projects or other property. Voter approval will not be required to incur such </DIV>
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<P align=left>indebtedness, as long as the bonds are paid for by fees, charges, rents, payments, grants or other </DIV>
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<P align=left>revenues derived from the airport or its facilities. The use of tax dollars to repay such bonds is </DIV>
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<P align=left>prohibited. </DIV>
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<P align=left>Statements FOR the Proposed Amendment </DIV>
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<P align=left>1. Public airports should have the ready ability to construct needed facilities, such as terminals, </DIV>
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<P align=left>runways, parking structures and hangars, which provide travelers with better services and </DIV>
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<P align=left>accommodations and attract industries to Idaho as long as the users pay for these facilities. </DIV>
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<P align=left>2. Political subdivisions and regional airport authorities need the ability to efficiently address </DIV>
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<P align=left>operational needs as they arise. Adoption of this amendment will provide this ability without the </DIV>
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<P align=left>use of tax dollars to repay any debt or liability incurred. </DIV>
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<P align=left>3. The inability of political subdivisions and regional airport authorities to incur indebtedness and </DIV>
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<P align=left>liability without voter approval has been a contributing factor in driving regional aviation-related </DIV>
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<P align=left>industries to conduct business in neighboring states. If the proposed amendment is not adopted, </DIV>
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<P align=left>Idaho could continue to lose similar economic development opportunities. </DIV>
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<P align=left>4. Public airports are a vital part of economic development and commerce in the state of Idaho. In </DIV>
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<P align=left>2009, aviation contributed an estimated $2.1 billion to Idaho’s economy. Properties and facilities </DIV>
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<P align=left>funded by special facility bonds will attract and expand industries, such as maintenance, manu</DIV>
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<DIV></DIV></FONT><FONT face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>facturing
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<P align=left>and cargo operations, which will create new jobs and foster economic development in </DIV>
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<P align=left>Idaho. Modern and efficient airports are essential to Idaho’s prosperity. </DIV>
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<P align=left>Statements AGAINST the Proposed Amendment (H.J.R. 5 Continued) </DIV>
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<P align=left>1. The existing Idaho constitutional requirement mandating a two-thirds assent of the voters before </DIV>
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<P align=left>a political subdivision or regional airport authority can incur debt is an important safeguard for </DIV>
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<P align=left>all Idaho citizens. </DIV>
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<P align=left>2. Adoption of the proposed amendment will allow political subdivisions and regional airport </DIV>
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<P align=left>authorities to acquire, construct, install and equip land, facilities, buildings and projects that are </DIV>
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<P align=left>not specifically limited to airport operations. </DIV>
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<P align=left>3. Buildings and land owned by the government are not taxed and therefore provide no revenues to </DIV>
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<P align=left>schools, cities, counties or other levying authorities. Adoption of the proposed amendment could </DIV>
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<P align=left>4. Changes to the Constitution should be made only for major issues of interest to the entire state </DIV>
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