<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Paul, as I mailed to you separately, if they could break the loads up into smaller packages, they'd unload in Vancouver and truck them over Canadian highways. It's the lack of overpasses that made them choose the Idaho-Montana route. The alternative, used before, is to unload in Houston and truck them up selected routes in the center of the country, at much greater cost. They're using US 12 to save a buck or two (or more), transferring the risk and wear and tear on the roads to the taxpayers of Idaho & Montana.<br><br>While there may be environmental objections to the whole oil sands project (which will go forward despite any Idaho naysayers), it's not the primary motivation for opponents.<br><div> </div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new
roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Sam Scripter <MoscowSam@charter.net>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 8, 2010 2:46:54 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Fwd: Re: Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12<br></font><br>
<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">That's the point I'm trying to make, though. If they did break it up into 3600 loads, they wouldn't need a permit, or a bond. There are no rules I know of stopping them from sending 3600 truckloads or more over the highway if they aren't exceptional loads. They would be using much more gas, to boot. So if they give up on the megaload idea over Idaho roads, do you think they'll just give up and not process all those tar sands?<br><br>I understand the concerns about emergency vehicles and the disruption to normal traffic and the wear and tear on the roads. But if the idea is to stop the tar sands production, then this is not the way to go about it. Breaking the loads up would solve the disruption to traffic problems, but would increase the normal traffic on the
highway. I know of no way of stopping that on a public road.<br><br>Paul<br><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Sam Scripter <MoscowSam@charter.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 8, 2010 12:45:41 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Vision2020] Fwd: Re: Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12<br></font><br>
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Re: Paul R's remarks . . .<br>
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If each "megaload" could be "sliced and
diced" to one-third of the whole width<br>
and one-sixth of total length [off the wall fractions, and very
absurd], then <br>
there would be 18 pieces, maybe each on a truck, per megaload. If 200
loads <br>
are waiting, that's 3600 or so individual, one-truck loads.<br>
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Use your own numbers for slicing and dicing. What do you get?<br>
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Who wants all of that traffic? No solution.<br>
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Sam<br>
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would
be a problem for their engineering staff to tackle, I would
think. Perhaps they'll find that using lots of smaller pressure
cookers or whatever they are is more cost effective now than trying to
get overly large ones through Idaho. Maybe there is a way to cut them
apart and put them back together when they get there. Not my problem,
really. I'm just wondering if everyone's concerns would go away if
they did so.<br>
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Paul<br>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Tom
Hansen <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><thansen@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Moscow Vision 2020
<a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 8,
2010 5:48:00 AM<br>
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[Vision2020] Additional Shipments Planned on Highway 12<br>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><big><b>"If they could break these shipments
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separate loads that they fell under the size and weight restrictions
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get a special permit then all would be right with the world, correct?"</b></big></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I feel safe in assuming, Paul, that if Conoco
were to break
down each of the (potentially) 250 mega-loads (per year) to meet ITD's
length,
width, and weight limitations . . . perhaps these shipments could
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<p class="MsoPlainText">HOWEVER . . .</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">How would you suggest Conoco go about
breaking these down
(and the 200+ jus’ like ‘em)?</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Seeya round town, Moscow.</p>
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