<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Where do they get such stupid ideas?<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI</a></span><br><div> </div>Ron Force<br>Moscow Idaho USA<div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Ron Force <rforce2003@yahoo.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com>; Vision2020 <vision2020@moscow.com><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Mon, October 4, 2010 1:48:31 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] "Age of Stupid" Director a Woman, Not a "Guy" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video<br></font><br>
<br>Finally, someone responds. Thank you. I thought the film was rather well done, myself, and funny. I'm a sucker for British accents, though.<br><br>The question I wanted to ask before this turned into my begging for someone to watch the film was: "How far is too far?" <br>What makes the film funny is that it's suggesting that we kill off anyone who won't agree to curb their personal carbon emissions by 10%. Presumably, exploding school children for not agreeing to bike to school instead of having their parents drive them has crossed a line somewhere. Where is that line? What is acceptable, given our current knowledge of the science involved and the estimated consequences that are waiting in the wings? I've heard lots of scare stories about tipping points and islands being flooded and some large percentage of the Earth's population dying because they live on the coast and so forth. So how far is too
far? <br>I mean, we're saving the world here after all.<br><br>Paul<br><br>Ron Force wrote:<br>> I ran across it a couple of days ago. I thought it was pretty funny, in the tradition of slasher films where no one takes the violence seriously, but appreciates the irony.<br>> Ron Force<br>> Moscow Idaho USA<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> *From:* Paul Rumelhart <<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>> *To:* Ted Moffett <<a ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com" href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a>><br>> *Cc:* Vision2020 <<a ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>> *Sent:* Sun, October 3, 2010 5:29:37 PM<br>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] "Age of Stupid" Director a Woman, Not a "Guy" Re:
10:10 "no pressure" video<br>> <br>> <br>> I got the gender of the director of "the Age of Stupid" wrong. My<br>> apologies.<br>> <br>> If any one out there is brave enough to watch this video that is<br>> intended for mass consumption by the public at large, please do so and<br>> let me know what you think. If you can spare some time from your<br>> researches on climate change, of course.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> Ted Moffett wrote:<br>> > The director of "the Age of Stupid" is not a guy, given a meaning of<br>> > this word to be "a male." When this film came out last year, I<br>> > repeatedly posted information to Vision2020 about it, specifically<br>> > referring to the director, Franny Armstrong, who also directed such<br>> > noteworthy films as "McLibel" and "Drowned Out."<br>> > > Read about Ms. Armstrong and her film making efforts at website
below<br><span>> > > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.spannerfilms.net/people/franny_armstrong">http://www.spannerfilms.net/people/franny_armstrong</a></span><br>> > ----------------------<br>> > Some people toss the word "guy" around in a gender neutral way, as in<br>> > "you guys" referring to a group of men and/or women. But when<br>> > specifically referring to the director of a film, to call them a "guy"<br>> > I think in most people's minds indicates they are a male.<br>> > > I did not watch the video you posted a link to, given I have far more<br>> > professional and in depth sources to spend my limited time studying,<br>> > regarding what is required to address lowering CO2 emissions. > However, I did a quick search on the 10:10 campaign and found a<br>> > different video on YouTube regarding "The Guardian's 10:10 climate<br>> > change campaign," which I did not
watch either, but I suspect refers<br>> > to the major United Kingdom newspaper "The Guardian."<br><span>> > > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314UCvMmgrU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314UCvMmgrU</a></span><br>> > ---------------<br>> > > For anyone serious about considering plans to lower CO2 emissions to<br>> > address anthropogenic climate warming, I recommend study of the<br>> > following plan from the Earth Policy Institute for lowering global<br>> > emissions 80 percent by 2020, or read NASA climate scientist James<br>> > Hansen's book, 'Storms of My Grandchildren." There are numerous<br>> > professional and in depth sources addressing this problem, but these<br>> > two sources are certainly worth consideration.<br>> > > The Earth Policy Institute has discussed "tax shifting" to encourage<br>> > less reliance on fossil fuels, and James
Hansen has advocated a "fee<br>> > and dividend" plan. Peculiarly, these alternative plans to "cap<br>> > and trade" are rarely discussed in mainstream media, as far as I have<br>> > noted. James Hansen has specifically stated that "cap and trade" is a<br>> > flawed approach.<br>> > > I have posted information on the Earth Policy Institute plan and James<br>> > Hansen's plans repeatedly, yet I do not recall anyone on this list<br>> > ever responding "onlist" specifically to these sources:<br>> > > Information on Earth Policy Institute's "80 by 2020" plan:<br><span>> > > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/pdf/80by2020doc.pdf">http://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/pdf/80by2020doc.pdf</a></span><br>> > > James Hansen on "fee and dividend" plan as discussed in a New York<br>> > Times article "Cap and Fade." The article title makes it
rather clear<br>> > that Hansen does not promote "cap and trade:"<br><span>> > > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/opinion/07hansen.html">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/opinion/07hansen.html</a></span><br>> > ------------------------------------------<br>> > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>> > > On 9/30/10, *Paul Rumelhart* <<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>><br>> > <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I just stumbled upon this (may contain disturbing
images):<br>> ><br><span>> > <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHN3zHoYA0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHN3zHoYA0</a></span><br>> ><br>> > It's a video about the "10:10 campaign" that encourages people to cut<br>> > their carbon footprints by 10%, with a rather remarkable<br>> > punishment for<br>> > those who aren't willing to do so.<br>> ><br>> > This isn't a small-time production, either. It's directed by the guy<br>> > who directed The Age of Stupid, it's written by the screenwriters that<br>> > wrote "Four Weddings", it has a soundtrack provided by Radiohead,<br>> > and it<br>> > has a cameo by Gillian Anderson of X Files fame.<br>> ><br>> > While I'm not blind to the humor involved, is
this really the<br>> > message we<br>> > want to get across? Play ball or die? I mean, I'm willing to<br>> > conserve<br>> > energy and reduce gasoline usage without death threats. I just don't<br>> > think that "climate change" is necessarily the Armageddon it's<br>> > made out<br>> > to be, and this makes me wonder about the people pushing that<br>> > particular<br>> > agenda.<br>> ><br>> > Anyway, take a look and let us know what you think.<br>> ><br>> > Paul<br>> ><br>> > P. S. I'm *really* hoping that Ted didn't get issued one of those red<br>> > buttons...<br>> ><br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services
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