<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I really dislike those energy efficient light bulbs. They take a long time to warm up and light up the room. You have to plan 30 minutes a head of time which room you are going to be in if you want light. If you need to just grab one thing in the garage you end up tripping over stuff waiting for the light to warm up and come on. Those things are serious safety hazards. <BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 8/27/10, Paul Rumelhart <I><godshatter@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Paul <SPAN>Rumelhart</SPAN> <godshatter@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U of I Argonaut 8/27/2010 "Halfway There: City Council takes more steps to lower greenhouse gas emissions"<BR>To: "Dan Carscallen" <areaman@moscow.com><BR>Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 4:26 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail><BR>As long as the initiatives put in place to save energy and consequently <BR>reduce greenhouse gas emissions actually save money, then I would <BR>agree. If, for example, the streetlights described in the article were <BR>so expensive that it would take longer to make back their initial cost <BR>in energy savings than the life of the bulbs, then I would be against <BR>such a change even if they did reduce our carbon footprint in the process. <BR><BR>There is a lot of room for compromise here. Some greenhouse gas <BR>reduction schemes have value for other reasons, such as reducing our <BR>dependence on the Middle East for oil or reducing pollution from coal <BR>plants. I just don't see much willingness on the side of the people <BR>pushing these things to go for the obvious wins first. It seems to be <BR>their way or the highway. That's my beef with the whole political <BR>movement. Especially
since every time I look further into the science I <BR>see things that make me go "hmmm". That and the fact that I have built <BR>up thick shields against the recent trends by government agencies to <BR>attempt to use our own fears to manipulate us into doing something. <BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>Dan Carscallen wrote:<BR>> Ted et al,<BR>><BR>> It doesn't matter to me whether someone comes down on one side or the <BR>> other on the whole anthropogenic global warming thing, my support for <BR>> this is based on conservation.<BR>><BR>> People can spew "facts" that support their position on one side or the <BR>> other, but when it comes down to real energy savings I think we are <BR>> doing right by the taxpayers, since energy savings = $$ savings. <BR>><BR>> Granted, in the short term some changes may be too expensive to make <BR>> the leap, bit we may be able to pencil it out over the long haul.<BR>><BR>>
DC<BR>><BR>> sent from my magical mystery interwebs phone<BR>><BR>> On Aug 27, 2010, at 15:45, Ted Moffett <<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=starbliss@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A> <BR>> <mailto:<A href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=starbliss@gmail.com" ymailto="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</A>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I'm happy something is being done to lower greenhouse gas emissions <BR>>> in Moscow. This is a far better attitude than expressed by some <BR>>> anthropogenic climate warming denialists, who argue there is no <BR>>> substantial scientific reason to lower emissions.<BR>>> <BR>>> The "Halfway There" part of the headline means there has been close <BR>>> to a 12 percent reduction in emissions from a 2005 baseline, on the <BR>>> way to 20 percent by
2020.<BR>>> <BR>>> The headline might have read ""Not all the way there..." as in a <BR>>> paucity of brain function and/or research, an absence of the most <BR>>> cursory discussion of what the best climate science indicates is a <BR>>> percent reduction in emissions necessary to substantially address <BR>>> anthropogenic climate warming.<BR>>> <BR>>> Total historical CO2 emissions must be considered, given CO2 <BR>>> atmospheric lifespan (read "Storms of My Grandchildren" by NASA <BR>>> climate scientist James Hansen:( <BR>>> <A href="http://www.stormsofmygrandchildren.com/" target=_blank>http://www.stormsofmygrandchildren.com/</A> ); therefore a 20 percent <BR>>> global emissions reduction from a 2005 baseline will not prevent a <BR>>> high probability of radical climate change. CO2 would still increase <BR>>> in level in our atmosphere, absent
extreme changes in other <BR>>> variables, given a 20 percent reduction from a 2005 level is still <BR>>> above the emission rates from previous decades when CO2 was <BR>>> increasing in atmospheric level. Some of the CO2 molecules my family <BR>>> and I were adding to the atmosphere in the 1950s when gasoline was 28 <BR>>> cents a gallon and we crossed the US numerous times in our gas hog <BR>>> Ford, are still in the atmosphere, contributing to climate change.<BR>>> <BR>>> Read about the "Earth Policy Institute" *80 by 2020* plan, where they <BR>>> discuss "worldwide mobilization at wartime speed" to achieve 80 <BR>>> percent global reductions in emissions by 2020:<BR>>> <BR>>> <A href="http://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/pdf/80by2020notes.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/pdf/80by2020notes.pdf</A><BR>>>
-----------------------<BR>>> <A href="http://www.uiargonaut.com/content/view/10557/48:testset/" target=_blank>http://www.uiargonaut.com/content/view/10557/48:testset/</A><BR>>> <BR>>> Halfway There<BR>>> Written by Kristen Whitney - Argonaut <BR>>> Friday, 27 August 2010<BR>>> *City Council takes more steps to lower greenhouse gas emissions*<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> Jake Barber/Argonaut<BR>>> Moscow City Council is encouraging residents of Moscow to find ways <BR>>> to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, such as riding a bike instead of <BR>>> driving, and remembering to turn off lights to conserve electricity.<BR>>><BR>>> Since the baseline inventory in 2005, Moscow has lowered its green <BR>>> house gas emissions by nearly 12 percent, a significant step toward <BR>>> the goal of 20 percent by 2020, according to the Greenhouse Gas and
<BR>>> Energy Efficiency Report.<BR>>><BR>>> “We have a measurable baseline and a very rational approach to save <BR>>> money in addition to reduce our effect on the global climate,” said <BR>>> Mayor Nancy Chaney. It’s been a long time coming, because this was <BR>>> one of the initiatives I undertook when I first came into office and <BR>>> I had a number of people kind of cranking on my arm saying, ‘Just set <BR>>> the targets.’”<BR>>> The Greenhouse Gas & Energy Efficiency Report, published Aug. 2, <BR>>> outlines the City Council’s current efforts and future plans for <BR>>> lowering greenhouse gas emissions. <BR>>><BR>>> “I come from a scientific background — my graduate work is <BR>>> environmental science ... so I wanted a measureable baseline,” Chaney <BR>>> said. <BR>>><BR>>> Included in the Greenhouse Gas &
Energy Efficiency Report are plans <BR>>> to upgrade streetlights to be more efficient.<BR>>><BR>>> Chaney said each LED retrofitted street light saves the city over <BR>>> $1,000 per year. Each upgraded light saves 629 tons of CO2.<BR>>><BR>>> Future changes to reduce GHG will include more investment in public <BR>>> transportation and expansion of pedestrian and bike paths. The <BR>>> Hamilton-Lowe Aquatics Center, one of the city’s top producers of <BR>>> GHG, may also undergo some changes.<BR>>><BR>>> “We still have designs on making changes out at the swimming pool <BR>>> because that’s one of our big users of natural gas, so conceivably <BR>>> there would be some kind of solar installation — that might be <BR>>> panels, or solar tubes. We’ve looked at some kind of treatment <BR>>> involving the heat absorption of the asphalt,”
Chaney said.<BR>>><BR>>> Brian Henry, the project coordinator for the sustainability club and <BR>>> a graduate student in architecture, said students can do their part <BR>>> to help lower GHG.<BR>>><BR>>> “Ride a bike instead of driving and conserve energy in your dorm room <BR>>> or apartment by turning off lights and use compact florescent bulbs. <BR>>> Also plug your TV and DVD player into a power strip and turn the <BR>>> power strip off when you’re not using the TV because even though it <BR>>> says it’s off, it’s still using power,” Henry said.<BR>>><BR>>> In addition to these ideas, Mayor Chaney recommended weatherizing <BR>>> one’s home, or she said, “If you’re not a property owner, hang some <BR>>> heavy window coverings in the winter time to keep the heat in and the <BR>>> cold out.”<BR>>><BR>>> “We want to be
efficient in our buildings, because buildings are big <BR>>> wasters of energy if they’re not well-insulated — if the windows are <BR>>> not adequately sealed” she said.<BR>>><BR>>> Throughout the nation other cities have made pledges to lower their <BR>>> GHG. Since levels were tested in 1990, Los Angles aims to lower its <BR>>> GHG 30 percent by 2030. Chicago vowed to lower GHG by 25 percent by <BR>>> 2020 and Denver pledged 10 percent by 2012. The U.S government has <BR>>> undertaken the goal of lowering overall emissions 17 percent by 2020, <BR>>> according to the U.S. EPA Website.<BR>>> -----------------------------------------<BR>>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR>>><BR>>> =======================================================<BR>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since
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