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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Well now, I'm not sure it was ever considered a
slur, but these days even grammarians say it isn't a sin. Sometimes ending
a sentence with a preposition makes it clearer than when one tries to
worm around and find a more fitting word. The greater sin
today is forgetting a lot is two words. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Sue H.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=webmaster@fsr.com href="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A> ;
<A title=services@fsr.com href="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A> ;
<A title=techsupport@fsr.com
href="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision
2020?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Reggie,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are educators in here. Please don't end a sentence with a
preposition! It is considered a slur. LOL, j/k. : )</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Vision 2020 statement is listed on the website, it is pretty
long. But the purpose is to be a soap box in public square.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with you that V2020 has a lot of untapped potential but is
ignored because there are many people resistant to any type of change in
the Vision 2020 format. People don't like to use V 2020 for three major
reasons;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) Everything you say is preserved in posterity forever. </DIV>
<DIV>2) Everything you say can and will be used against you in the future,
in context or outside of it.</DIV>
<DIV>3) The technological format is old, limiting, and leads to
misunderstandings between people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PS, This is Vandal Country, lose the "u.boisestate.edu" addy at the
end of your name. This is a family oriented website that values quality
education :P</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/15/10, Reggie Holmquist
<I><reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Reggie <SPAN><SPAN>Holmquist</SPAN></SPAN>
<reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: techsupport@fsr.com,
vision2020@moscow.com, services@fsr.com, webmaster@fsr.com<BR>Date:
Sunday, August 15, 2010, 2:00 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1376973787>I'm still unclear as to what the point of V2020
is. I may be the only person here under 30 and I only found out
about this place through word of mouth because I specifically asked a
politically connected local individual if there are any local blogs or
message boards. I don't think I would have found it otherwise (I
did searches for local moscow politics and V2020 does not come
up). But I can't weigh in at all on this topic because I don't
know what the goal of V2020 is. Is it to grow the community?
To be a media platform? To spur people to action? To be a
discussion platform until it dies out b/c noone knows about it and noone
wants to use this ancient messaging platform?<BR><BR>It just sucks, b/c
I see major potential here and it seems like some of that potential
might be being wasted. But, again, it all just depends on what the
goal of this place is.<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787gmail_quote>On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:49 PM,
Donovan Arnold <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
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wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think we all have someone like that in our family :
)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People often don't realize what they are
missing without taking advantage of new technologies.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think Vision 2020 is going the same way as the post
letter. It is sad too because V2020 can be a great media if it
would change to a modern format. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/15/10, Sue Hovey <I><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787im><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<BR></DIV>To: "keely
emerinemix" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>>, <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>,
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787im><BR>Cc: <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>, <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=services@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A>, <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A><BR></DIV>Date:
Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:07 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I, too, have a Facebook page
and I almost never go on it. I should, I know, but it's
just easier for me to get my email and read what I want to and
delete what I don't. I do realize Donovan is certainly
correct in his conjecture that younger folks may well find the
Viz antiquated and want something new. I actually have
some sense of that feeling, as my husband won't even consider
email so I'm always having to print things he might want to
read, and as they are printing, I'm thinking, "Damnit, Norman
if you would move just a tiny bit into the 20th
Century...nevermind the 21st."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Sue H</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>keely emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=webmaster@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>webmaster@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=services@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=services@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>services@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=techsupport@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>techsupport@fsr.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of
Vision 2020?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm on vacation and haven't bothered to read
all of the other posts regarding the supposed ease of Facebook
over that of Vision 2020, but I have a couple of
thoughts:<BR><BR>One, the people at First Step have been
remarkably generous in providing the
I-don't-know-what-to-call-it technology that enables us to
have a "Vision 2020," and no discussion of its future should
take place without acknowledging the debt all of us who have
been active on this forum owe to First Step. I've made
some precious friends on this forum, and quite a few
enemies, but I can't imagine my last several years in Moscow
without Vision 2020. <BR><BR>Two, I'm one of those
dinosaurs who has a Facebook page with nothing on it because
it seems like an unnecessarily complicated mode of conversing,
and because I prefer, still, to talk one-on-one with people
via email. Even the group emails I send, I send to
people with whom I'd be sitting around having a beer if they
all lived in Moscow. And I realize I'm in the minority
here; Facebook certainly has taken off and done quite well
without me. I am not at all interested in what I see as
the "instant intimacy," or at least the indiscriminate
intimacy, of Facebook or MySpace. I'm blessed to have a
great many acquaintances, a lot of pals, a few friends, and
just a handful of intimates -- those people with whom I
discuss, and from whom I hear, things that by their precious
nature aren't something I or they want to plaster across a
constantly-changing electronic billboard like Facebook.
I understand I'm not in the cultural mainstream here, but my
Luddite tendencies suit me well.<BR><BR>Three, I think there
are others like me who want to continue discussing the things
we all discuss on Vision without revealing much more of
ourselves than the content of our posts. Maybe I just
don't get it -- gee, could it be? -- but I want my
participation on Vision 2020 to reveal nothing about me other
than what I have to say on a given subject. I don't have
the time, energy, or inclination to wade through the "I just
ate some yogurt," "OMG, did you see Hell's Kitchen last
night?" and "My Favorite 25 Punk Songs" musings of other
people, and (except for the 25 punk songs) I can't imagine
anyone would want to go through mine -- unless they were close
friends, in which case they'd either already know, or they'd
get an email, phone call, or letter from me. The
advantage of Vision is, to me, its existence as a stand-alone
feature/forum that pretty much means "When you're in, you're
in for this, nothing else" -- No offers to extend
body parts I don't have, no garbage from people who think the
supreme expression of my devotion to God is to hit "Send" to
10 other people, and no emails from friends who have no idea
what to think about Highway 12 because they live in
Virginia. It's Vision 2020, all about Vision 2020, all
the time. I like that.<BR><BR>Now I'll read the other
posts, or not, and do so knowing that I've confirmed my status
as someone as overwhelmed by technology as Doug Wilson would
be by a gaggle of ordained women Reformed intellectuals at a
conference on female Pentecostal history. Yeah, that
bad.<BR><BR><FONT color=#8064a2><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
size=3><FONT face=Verdana>Keely<BR><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:31:18 -0700<BR>From: <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A><BR>To:
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>CC:
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
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ymailto="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>; <A
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ymailto="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A>; <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
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ymailto="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A><BR>Subject:
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<DIV>I believe, that Vision 2020, that hasn't changed
its low-tech format since 1994, which is both
annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient to use by its
subscribers, will be replaced by another Internet
company or reputable company or organization that
establishes such a forum on Facebook or similar network.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sure, anyone could establish a Palouse Forum, but
people would be more likely to join a forum created by
First Step Internet that uses the same name. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Image a Vision 2020 that took only moments to skim
through instead of opening and closing each email, or
getting one at the end of the day after the conversation
is over. You could post links, images, and
information much more quickly. And perhaps the best
things of all would be that people could not use your
name in postings or false names to launch personal
attacks against members of the community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A Facebook account would be more meaningful and
helpful to a community that wished to grow and be
productive with its online networking. It would
also be of better service to facilitate the purpose
and mission of Vision 2020. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vision 2020 will eventually be replaced, the
question is how it will be replaced, and by what entity.
I hope it is still First Step Internet. But I don't see
it making any moves to save Vision 2020 and keep
ownership of its own idea of an uncensored soap box
forum to facilitate change in the Palouse
Community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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