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<DIV>Sounds close to the guy who got out of jail and saw an attractive person on
the street outside. He ended his sentence with a proposition.</DIV>
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<DIV>Warren Hayman</DIV>
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<DIV>Yes. "There are some things up with which I will not put."</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> ; <A
title=reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=webmaster@fsr.com href="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>
; <A title=services@fsr.com
href="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=techsupport@fsr.com
href="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:16
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The
death of Vision 2020?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Well now, I'm not sure it was ever considered a
slur, but these days even grammarians say it isn't a sin. Sometimes
ending a sentence with a preposition makes it clearer than when one
tries to worm around and find a more fitting word.
The greater sin today is forgetting a lot is two words.
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Sue H.</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=webmaster@fsr.com href="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>
; <A title=services@fsr.com
href="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=techsupport@fsr.com
href="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision
2020?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Reggie,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are educators in here. Please don't end a sentence with a
preposition! It is considered a slur. LOL, j/k. : )</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The Vision 2020 statement is listed on the website, it is pretty
long. But the purpose is to be a soap box in public square.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with you that V2020 has a lot of untapped potential but is
ignored because there are many people resistant to any type of change in
the Vision 2020 format. People don't like to use V 2020 for three major
reasons;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) Everything you say is preserved in posterity forever. </DIV>
<DIV>2) Everything you say can and will be used against you in the
future, in context or outside of it.</DIV>
<DIV>3) The technological format is old, limiting, and leads to
misunderstandings between people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PS, This is Vandal Country, lose the "u.boisestate.edu" addy at the
end of your name. This is a family oriented website that values quality
education :P</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/15/10, Reggie Holmquist
<I><reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Reggie <SPAN><SPAN>Holmquist</SPAN></SPAN>
<reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>Cc: techsupport@fsr.com,
vision2020@moscow.com, services@fsr.com, webmaster@fsr.com<BR>Date:
Sunday, August 15, 2010, 2:00 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv1376973787>I'm still unclear as to what the point of V2020
is. I may be the only person here under 30 and I only found out
about this place through word of mouth because I specifically asked a
politically connected local individual if there are any local blogs or
message boards. I don't think I would have found it otherwise (I
did searches for local moscow politics and V2020 does not come
up). But I can't weigh in at all on this topic because I don't
know what the goal of V2020 is. Is it to grow the
community? To be a media platform? To spur people to
action? To be a discussion platform until it dies out b/c noone
knows about it and noone wants to use this ancient messaging
platform?<BR><BR>It just sucks, b/c I see major potential here and it
seems like some of that potential might be being wasted. But,
again, it all just depends on what the goal of this place
is.<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787gmail_quote>On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:49 PM,
Donovan Arnold <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
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wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think we all have someone like that in our family :
)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People often don't realize what they are
missing without taking advantage of new technologies.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think Vision 2020 is going the same way as the post
letter. It is sad too because V2020 can be a great media if it
would change to a modern format. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 8/15/10, Sue Hovey <I><<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787im><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<BR></DIV>To: "keely
emerinemix" <<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>>,
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>,
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>
<DIV class=yiv1376973787im><BR>Cc: <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>, <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=services@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A>, <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A><BR></DIV>Date:
Sunday, August 15, 2010, 1:07 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1376973787h5>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I, too, have a Facebook page
and I almost never go on it. I should, I know, but
it's just easier for me to get my email and read what I want
to and delete what I don't. I do realize Donovan is
certainly correct in his conjecture that younger folks may
well find the Viz antiquated and want something new. I
actually have some sense of that feeling, as my husband
won't even consider email so I'm always having to print
things he might want to read, and as they are printing, I'm
thinking, "Damnit, Norman if you would move just a tiny bit
into the 20th Century...nevermind the 21st."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>Sue H</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>keely emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A>
; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=webmaster@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>webmaster@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=services@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=services@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>services@fsr.com</A> ; <A
title=techsupport@fsr.com
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>techsupport@fsr.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of
Vision 2020?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I'm on vacation and haven't bothered to read
all of the other posts regarding the supposed ease of
Facebook over that of Vision 2020, but I have a couple of
thoughts:<BR><BR>One, the people at First Step have been
remarkably generous in providing the
I-don't-know-what-to-call-it technology that enables us to
have a "Vision 2020," and no discussion of its future should
take place without acknowledging the debt all of us who have
been active on this forum owe to First Step. I've made
some precious friends on this forum, and quite a few
enemies, but I can't imagine my last several years in Moscow
without Vision 2020. <BR><BR>Two, I'm one of those
dinosaurs who has a Facebook page with nothing on it because
it seems like an unnecessarily complicated mode of
conversing, and because I prefer, still, to talk one-on-one
with people via email. Even the group emails I send, I
send to people with whom I'd be sitting around having a beer
if they all lived in Moscow. And I realize I'm in the
minority here; Facebook certainly has taken off and done
quite well without me. I am not at all interested in
what I see as the "instant intimacy," or at least the
indiscriminate intimacy, of Facebook or MySpace. I'm
blessed to have a great many acquaintances, a lot of pals, a
few friends, and just a handful of intimates -- those people
with whom I discuss, and from whom I hear, things that by
their precious nature aren't something I or they want to
plaster across a constantly-changing electronic billboard
like Facebook. I understand I'm not in the cultural
mainstream here, but my Luddite tendencies suit me
well.<BR><BR>Three, I think there are others like me who
want to continue discussing the things we all discuss on
Vision without revealing much more of ourselves than the
content of our posts. Maybe I just don't get it --
gee, could it be? -- but I want my participation on Vision
2020 to reveal nothing about me other than what I have to
say on a given subject. I don't have the time, energy,
or inclination to wade through the "I just ate some yogurt,"
"OMG, did you see Hell's Kitchen last night?" and "My
Favorite 25 Punk Songs" musings of other people, and (except
for the 25 punk songs) I can't imagine anyone would want to
go through mine -- unless they were close friends, in which
case they'd either already know, or they'd get an email,
phone call, or letter from me. The advantage of Vision
is, to me, its existence as a stand-alone feature/forum that
pretty much means "When you're in, you're in for this,
nothing else" -- No offers to extend body parts
I don't have, no garbage from people who think the supreme
expression of my devotion to God is to hit "Send" to 10
other people, and no emails from friends who have no idea
what to think about Highway 12 because they live in
Virginia. It's Vision 2020, all about Vision 2020, all
the time. I like that.<BR><BR>Now I'll read the other
posts, or not, and do so knowing that I've confirmed my
status as someone as overwhelmed by technology as Doug
Wilson would be by a gaggle of ordained women Reformed
intellectuals at a conference on female Pentecostal
history. Yeah, that bad.<BR><BR><FONT
color=#8064a2><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size=3><FONT
face=Verdana>Keely<BR><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:31:18 -0700<BR>From: <A
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rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</A><BR>To:
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>CC:
<A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=webmaster@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</A>; <A
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ymailto="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</A>; <A
href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=techsupport@fsr.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</A><BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<BR><BR>
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<DIV>I believe, that Vision 2020, that hasn't changed
its low-tech format since 1994, which is both
annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient to use by its
subscribers, will be replaced by another Internet
company or reputable company or organization that
establishes such a forum on Facebook or similar
network. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sure, anyone could establish a Palouse Forum, but
people would be more likely to join a forum created by
First Step Internet that uses the same name.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Image a Vision 2020 that took only moments to
skim through instead of opening and closing each
email, or getting one at the end of the day after the
conversation is over. You could post links,
images, and information much more quickly. And perhaps
the best things of all would be that people could not
use your name in postings or false names to launch
personal attacks against members of the community.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A Facebook account would be more meaningful and
helpful to a community that wished to grow and be
productive with its online networking. It would
also be of better service to facilitate the
purpose and mission of Vision 2020. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Vision 2020 will eventually be replaced, the
question is how it will be replaced, and by what
entity. I hope it is still First Step Internet. But I
don't see it making any moves to save Vision 2020 and
keep ownership of its own idea of an uncensored
soap box forum to facilitate change in
the Palouse Community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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