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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi Donovan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In part, you wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span>There is nothing you can do on Vision 2020 that cannot be done on Facebook, including looking up who said what and when.”<span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Well, I’m not sure that’s correct: there is a character limit to status updates, so it seems to me FB is more suited to quick back & forth comments rather than to in-depth conversations, don’t you think? For instance, I don’t think (although I didn’t check) your response below to Tom would work, and I know this one wouldn’t!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Additionally, FB only supports searching for who said what when back 30 days AFAIK.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Furthermore, there are lots & lots of people who simply won’t use FB because of the privacy issues. For instance:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/privacy-groups-facebook-there-s-more-do">http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty/privacy-groups-facebook-there-s-more-do</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Now, I’m not saying V2020 is perfect from a privacy standpoint – I think I’ve mentioned that I regularly get spam to my dedicated V2020 email addy after posting – but FB is a much bigger target & thus the risks are much greater, IMHO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That said, I do like the profile aspect of FB, although I personally wouldn’t find it any more difficult to create a phony personality on FB than I would to create one for posting on the Viz if one were so inclined.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also think trolls would be a much bigger problem on FB, and that’s something that would be a <b>huge</b> drawback, IMHO.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess I see “social networking” sites like FB as a completely different – but perhaps as important to some – as a community discussion forum like V2020.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>BTW, I took the FSR addys <b>off</b> my response because I doubt they’ve got much interest in reading this debate; so if anyone responding to this disagrees & wants their comments to go to FSR, you’ll need to add those addys back on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>JMHO,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Saundra Lund<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, ID<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~ Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com; Tom Hansen<br><b>Cc:</b> webmaster@fsr.com; services@fsr.com; techsupport@fsr.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mr. Hansen,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is a huge technological difference between Facebook and the current V2020 format that was created in 1993 and has not changed since that time. Babies have been born and competed high school since this format was created. In technology terms, that makes it a great great great grandmother. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is nothing you can do on Vision 2020 that cannot be done on Facebook, including looking up who said what and when. And there is lots of things that can be done on Facebook that cannot be done on Vision 2020; basically every interface feature that has been invented since 1993. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Contrary to your statement, it is harder to fake being someone else on Facebook than on Vision 2020. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>What is inconvenient and annoying about Vision 2020 is that it is time consuming and technologically limiting because it has not been updated since 1993. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Donovan Arnold<br><br>--- On <b>Sat, 8/14/10, Tom Hansen <i><<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?<br>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:webmaster@fsr.com">webmaster@fsr.com</a>, <a href="mailto:services@fsr.com">services@fsr.com</a>, <a href="mailto:techsupport@fsr.com">techsupport@fsr.com</a><br>Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:12 AM<o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv1377744026><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have absolutely no problem browsing Vision 2020 mail/postings. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I apply an extremely unique concept that has never failed me. It’s called “Read the Subject Line”. </span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I also have a Facebook account. It is no more difficult to establish a Facebook account under a fictitious name than it is with the current Vision 2020 system.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One question, Mr. Arnold: How is the current Vision 2020 system “annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient”? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The current system is competent (in that it provides an efficient platform for its subscribers). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All subscribers have no problem in accessing any of the active or inactive (old) threads.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>One MAJOR advantage the current system has over Facebook: the ability to pinpoint who said what when, without having to browse page after page after page after page after page after page after . . . on Facebook. All a person (and it wouldn’t even need to be a subscriber) would have to do is access Vision 2020 archives. Trust me! That function comes in very handy.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s another concept that has never failed me . . .</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“If it works, don’t fix it!”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seeya in the archives, V-peeps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tom Hansen</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Moscow, Idaho</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> vision2020@moscow.com<br><b>Cc:</b> webmaster@fsr.com; services@fsr.com; techsupport@fsr.com<br><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Facebook; The death of Vision 2020?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>I believe, that Vision 2020, that hasn't changed its low-tech format since 1994, which is both annoying and unnecessarily inconvenient to use by its subscribers, will be replaced by another Internet company or reputable company or organization that establishes such a forum on Facebook or similar network. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>Sure, anyone could establish a Palouse Forum, but people would be more likely to join a forum created by First Step Internet that uses the same name. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>Image a Vision 2020 that took only moments to skim through instead of opening and closing each email, or getting one at the end of the day after the conversation is over. You could post links, images, and information much more quickly. And perhaps the best things of all would be that people could not use your name in postings or false names to launch personal attacks against members of the community. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>A Facebook account would be more meaningful and helpful to a community that wished to grow and be productive with its online networking. It would also be of better service to facilitate the purpose and mission of Vision 2020. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>Vision 2020 will eventually be replaced, the question is how it will be replaced, and by what entity. I hope it is still First Step Internet. But I don't see it making any moves to save Vision 2020 and keep ownership of its own idea of an uncensored soap box forum to facilitate change in the Palouse Community. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal>Donovan Arnold <o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=yiv1377744026msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net/" target="_blank">http://www.fsr.net</a> <br> mailto:<a href="http://us.mc381.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================<o:p></o:p></p></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>