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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Golly Saundra,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>As one who unfavorably compares OU to ALL Texas Colleges
and Universities in regard to football and the mundane items such as
academics, I must admit you fooled me completely. I would never
have guessed from your classy responses you were an OU
product....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>SueH </FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt Tahoma">
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm
href="mailto:v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm">Saundra Lund</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:20 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:idahovandal1@live.com">'Carl Westberg'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=president@uidaho.edu
href="mailto:president@uidaho.edu">president@uidaho.edu</A> ; <A
title="mailto:bobkustra@boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:bobkustra@boisestate.edu">bobkustra@boisestate.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] BSU President fires one across the
bow</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">In part, Carl
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">“</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Actually, the
unfortunate animosity has not been a one way street. Neither side has
clean hands.”</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Precisely,
Carl. I could regale Visionaries with tales of my experiences of bad BSU
behavior towards UI – both here and in the southern part of the state -- back
when I first moved here in the Dark Ages (1988) and even before I officially
started at the UI (1/1989), but what’s the point? The rivalry in good
forms and bad – in sports <B>and</B> in academics -- existed long before I moved
here.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">BSU Kustra’s
comments are simply, IMHO, another example of BSU trying to convince others too
smart (that would be UI graduates <g>) to fall for it that their BS
doesn’t stink. Will his revisionist history succeed with anyone other than
BSU administrators, students, and alum, or will it just make BSU look like a
bunch of thin-skinned whiners rather than educated adults? Only time will
tell, but I’m betting on the intelligence of the good people of Idaho to
recognize that the sports-and-academic rivalry has <B>always</B> been a two-way
street with plenty of good and bad from both sides. Should everyone strive
to do better? Absolutely, and that clearly includes BSU’s
Kustra.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">And, as a gal born
& raised in Oklahoma who will always be a Sooner (one parent a Sooner &
the other an Aggie/now Cowboy), it’s clear Kustra doesn’t have a clue as to what
he’s talking about with respect to other rivalries! Living a sheltered
life can have that effect, I suppose.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">To bring it closer
to home, surely an educated man like Kustra can’t truly be so totally clueless
as to the <B>serious</B> academic-and-sports rivalry right across the state line
between UW & WSU?! If so, it’s clear the man is <B>highly</B>
overpaid!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">One other
point: while I’m not a Nellis cheerleader, I’ve got to give him kudos for
his classy response. Perhaps Kustra could benefit from some
lessons.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Just the Humble
Opinion of Someone Who Thinks the Importance of College Sports is VASTLY
Overrated<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">& a UI
Alum<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">& a UI faculty
wife,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Saundra
Lund<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Moscow,
ID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">~
Edmund Burke<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">*****
Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life plus 70 years,
Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the
Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the
author.*****<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Carl Westberg<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:30
PM<BR><B>To:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] BSU
President fires one across the bow<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Actually, the
unfortunate animosity has not been a one way street. Neither side has
clean hands. The response to this will be interesting, as there is much
intermarriage between the two schools, both literally and figuratively.
Could make for some interesting family reunions in our state. I'll
probably have to disown my BSU graduate niece now. BTW, here is the
response from President Nellis............“I was disappointed to learn of
President Kustra’s reported remarks during his meeting with the Idaho Statesman
editorial board. I’m sorry to hear that Bob feels so negatively about his visits
to Moscow. Both the University of Idaho and the city of Moscow take great pride
in the friendly, welcoming and warm environment that a quintessential college
town like ours can uniquely provide. <BR><BR>“Bob is right that athletic
rivalries bring out passion in people for their alma maters; I’ve seen this
first-hand between national rivals like West Virginia and Pitt, or Kansas and
Kansas State. And I’ve experienced this here in our own state – both positive
and negative. People with passion for their institution can say and do things
that they regret. It’s unfortunate that this happens and all of our institutions
should work to ensure that we don’t accept this unacceptable rhetoric. Late last
week, I reached out to Bob to let him know that I was personally disappointed in
the student opinion piece published by our student-run newspaper. I shared that
disappointment with the Argonaut editorial board as well. <BR><BR>“In-state
rivalries are meant to be fun. Our long-time rivalry with BSU is important to
the state, the economy, and the fans from both teams. We embrace and celebrate
that rivalry and I very much hope it continues. It goes without saying that we
value our relationship with Boise State both on the field and court and in the
many ways in which our two institutions work together to serve our state and its
citizens.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu<BR>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:34:18
-0600<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BSU President fires one across the bow<BR>To:
sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<BR>CC: bear@moscow.com; idahovandal1@live.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>Win at football.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I keed, I
keed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Seriously, though.
I just transfered up here from BSU, and I think the animosity exhibited by
UI boosters toward BSU in general is kind of silly.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-Reggie<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Tue, Jul 27,
2010 at 4:30 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What have they done
to achieve this?<BR><BR>Sunil<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:
bear@moscow.com<BR>To: idahovandal1@live.com<BR>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:16:32
-0700<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] BSU President
fires one across the bow<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><BR>Carl,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">This is a surprise
to you? Just look at a comparison between not just athletics but
also academics at both schools, and you'll see that Boise State is planning to,
if it hasn't already,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">become the premier
flag ship university in Idaho. And we have "US" to thank for
it........<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On Jul 27, 2010, at
2:31 PM, Carl Westberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">>From
the Statesman.....doesn't seem very politic of a university
president......<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<H1><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Kustra on
the BSU-Idaho football rivalry: No reason to play it, even in
Boise<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H1>
<H2><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Staff - Idaho
Statesman<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H2>
<H3><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Published:
07/27/10<o:p></o:p></SPAN></H3>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Boise
State president Bob Kustra said he stands behind football coach Chris
Petersen's statement that his team should no longer travel to Moscow for
games, Kustra said Tuesday in a meeting with the Idaho Statesman editorial
board.<BR>The future of the 40-year-old series is in doubt after this season's
trip to Moscow, with Boise State headed to the Mountain West Conference in
2011, while the Vandals will continue in the Western Athletic
Conference.<BR>"I frankly don't care whether we ever play 'em again as long it
goes,'' Kustra said. "I don't see any reason to do it in Boise, but if
somebody sees a reason to do it in Boise, fine.<BR>"I guess (Idaho football)
coach (Robb) Akey would argue that if he upsets Boise State, then that's a
really big deal, but why is that to Boise State's advantage?''<BR>Petersen
said Monday, while in Salt Lake City for the annual WAC preview meetings, "Why
would we (go to Moscow)? I don't think our fans even like to go up there. Most
of Idaho's fans are in Boise anyway.''<BR>Kustra said he and Petersen talked
about the issue last month, on the same day Boise State was invited into the
Mountain West. He said they are on the same page.<BR>Kustra said it's a
"cultural issue,'' pointing out an article last week in the Argonaut, the
University of Idaho student newspaper. The headline of the article was, "Who
do we hate?''<BR>"This is a great example of why my wife and I no longer
travel to Moscow games,'' Kustra said. "It's a culture that is nasty,
inebriated and civilly doesn't give our fans the respect that any fan should
expect when visiting an away team. ... I don't think at Boise State you're
going to find that, so for me personally, when I read what Pete said I knew, I
knew.<BR>"For me, this is not about football. For me, this is a cultural
issue. It's about fans having to learn how to treat other fans and
universities. What bothers me more than anything else, is that the fans are
not about denigrating our athletic program. ... What bothers me personally is
the denigration of our academic programming. That's what I simply can't
tolerate.<BR>"I've seen rivalries all over America, Oklahoma-Oklahoma State,
Texas-Texas A&M, Kansas-Kansas State, but you can go inside those
rivalries and you'll find all kinds of slams and digs and whatever, but I've
never seen the nastiness aimed at the quality of our academic program that I
find here in Idaho from the University of Idaho Vandals and as long as that
goes on, why would I want to encourage a game where people don't know how to
act like grownups?''<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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