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<DIV>Sunil, Andreas,</DIV>
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<DIV>So you think that someone with mental health issues doesn't realize that
things are not just right?</DIV>
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<DIV>There may be a few cases where that is true, but it is hard to believe that
people do not realize that they are beginning to experience problems.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In the case of Noble, among other things, the reports are that he was
consuming copious amounts of caffeine based energy drinks. Can not a
person know that such behavior is not normal, that something is wrong, and
something needs to be done? And that failure to do so may result in some
unpredictable, possibly destructive incidents?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Nor is a mental illness a white/black phenomenon. It is a
continuum. A person is not totally mentally healthy one day, then in the
state of having lost their mind the next.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How is a developing mental health problem any different from when
people start to drink too much alcohol? Or start to cough too much?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mental illness is <STRONG>generally not a fulminating, fast developing
phenomenon</STRONG>; it develops over time and with changes and symptoms that
should be danger signs to the person and to those around them.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So the answer to your question <FONT color=#0000ff>"You think he should
recognize the signs that he's losing his mind WHILE HE'S LOSING HIS
MIND?"</FONT> is that for most cases, yes. Just as a person drinking
alcohol recognizes that they are starting to drink too much, a person starting
to see puzzling or destructive changes in their behavior is generally aware that
things are not just right. That's the time for a responsible person to act
to right the ship.</DIV>
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<DIV>That's why many people <STRONG>do</STRONG> seek help for mental health
problems or find ways to right themselves. Those that don't are like those
that start to drink too much or cough too much, they fail to exercise personal
responsibility.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have known many people who have had mental health issues. Most of
those either sought treatment or found a way to deal with it
successfully. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I simply do not by the argument that people with mental health issues are
so afflicted from the onset that they are unable to recognize that a problem
exists, and are unable to do anything about it. That fact that many
persons do seek positive ways to deal with mental health issues certainly
contradicts such a position. Failure to do so is not a mitigating factor,
but an exacerbating factor.<BR><BR>W.</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:13
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not
Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>What Utter Crap.<BR><BR>"<FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
size=2>Treatment is fine and necessary but there should also be some penalty
for the lack of responsibility in not seeking treatment/mitigation before the
mental illness progresses so far that control is lost."<BR><BR>What personal
responsibility do you expect to be exercised by a person who is losing his or
her mind?<BR><BR>You think he should recognize the signs that he's losing his
mind WHILE HE'S LOSING HIS MIND?<BR><BR>Maybe you come to this remarkable
conclusion having spent a significant amount of time working with mentally ill
people. Maybe you have the training and expertise to conclude that they are
able to exercise reason while their minds are disintegrating.<BR><BR>Does this
expertise extend to people with no prior diagnosis? With no prior experience
of the symptoms and conditions? Who may not even realize that something is
wrong?<BR><BR>Yeah, the mentally ill have it too friggin' easy. Let's penalize
them for lacking the foresight to responsibly deal with terrifying symptoms,
while they're lost in their own heads. <BR><BR>I just knew you were going to
post something like this when I saw Tom Hansen's post. Like clockwork, just
like clockwork.<BR></FONT><BR>Sunil<BR>
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From: deco@moscow.com<BR>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Wed, 5 May 2010
18:01:05 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Noble Found Not Guilty Due to
Temporary Insanity<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I agree with Tom.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At what point when a person sees that not all is right does
it become ethical to seek help. That's what personal responsibility is
about. I hope that the insanity defense laws will be changed to reflect
that responsibility.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Treatment is fine and necessary but there should also be
some penalty for the lack of responsibility in not seeking
treatment/mitigation before the mental illness progresses so far that control
is lost.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B> <A
title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:12
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Noble Found Not
Guilty Due to Temporary Insanity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Courtesy of the Daily
News.<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Noble
found not guilty due to temporary insanity<BR>May 5, 2010, 3:57
pm<BR><BR>Dan Noble was found not guilty of two counts of vehicular assault
and two<BR>counts of hit and run in Whitman County Superior Court on
Wednesday.<BR><BR>Judge David Frazier ruled that Noble was temporarily
insane during the<BR>Dec. 9 incident, in which he ran over two Washington
State University<BR>students with his car on the WSU campus in
Pullman.<BR><BR>-------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Perhaps
now Mr. Noble can get the help necessary to prevent this from
ever<BR>happening again.<BR><BR>Although Mr. Noble's temporary loss of
self-control was the major<BR>contributing factor in this incidents, I still
feel that preventive<BR>measures should have been taken to avoid this from
happening.<BR><BR>Seeya round town, Moscow.<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow,
Idaho<BR><BR>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
it to change<BR>and the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR><BR>-
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