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<DIV><FONT size=2>Wayne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I thought I mentioned the option you suggest:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>"I do not think that the UI has the monetary or
management resources to recruit, train, and maintain a viable, competent police
force. It is an undertaking which is more complex than it
appears."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Because of funding and other significant legal problems,
one of which may be revealed very shortly, the UI really has its plate
full. As to financials resources, not only will it cost the UI money to
recruit, train and to maintain a separate police force, there would
significant capital investment for equipment and facilities. That's one of
the reason right now I think using the MPD with improved monitoring and
communication is the better option <STRONG>right now</STRONG>. Also, I
have noticed elsewhere that some of these kinds of establish-a-police-force
endeavors end up recruiting many personnel with less than stellar records
elsewhere. The Federal Way Police Department start up in Washington a few
years ago is a prime example.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The WSU policing problems have a long history that is partly
cultural and partly the result of neglecting to tend to business from away
back. It's late, so I'll spare you a diatribe, but I've been a
student at the UI twice, plus having taught here twice. The WSU campus has
always had significant more crime/vandalism/rowdiness/excessive alcohol use/etc
problems than the UI and much less resolve to deal with them
successfully.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I qualify the above by saying no option is perfect or even
nearly perfect.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bear@moscow.com href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">Wayne Price</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 16, 2010 6:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With
Moscow Police</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne,
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<DIV>I think you have made a cogent and effective contribution to this
discussion on the options that the university has toward on campus
policing.</DIV>
<DIV>But one point is that they would not necessarily be a "private" agency,
and could very well be a public law enforcement agency as some</DIV>
<DIV>university police departments are throughout the nation.</DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne</DIV>
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<DIV>On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Art Deco wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Choosing any has risks.</DIV>
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<DIV>I feel that the MPD has improved is several ways since David Duke took
over from Cameron Hershaw as assistant chief. And the officer who was
in charge of the campus some time ago who smoked the weed is gone.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The MPD is not perfect, and I have been and still am a critic. I
hope they can continue to improve. However, the MPD have invested
in and continue to invest in training with some of it very applicable to
potential campus situations.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I do not think that the UI has the monetary or management resources to
recruit, train, and maintain a viable, competent police force. It is
an undertaking which is more complex than it appears. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In my years as both an employee and as a consultant my experience has
been that private security/policing firms at best are marginally competent
and marginally honest, and at worse more corrupt and more incompetent than
almost all public law enforcement agencies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Of course, when looking at bids, it is just not the price that is
important, but the quality.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know that there are some noteworthy issues about the present campus
policing. I think the way to handle these are to communicate
regularly about them and work through them rather than buy a pig in a
poke. Perhaps when President Nellis gets time after dealing with
issues and personnel problems bequeathed to him by the last administration,
he can set up some mechanism to insure that campus policing by the MPD meets
both the requirements of law and addresses the safety issues of
campus.</DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
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<DIV><A href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR>208
882-7975</DIV>
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title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
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href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, April 16, 2010 5:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With
Moscow Police</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I've just got to ask:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><BR>Tom, when you ended one
of your posts yesterday with<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR><PRE>"Enough EFFING said,"<BR><BR>How was that not 'chest thumping'here on the Viz? <BR><BR>The post below really strikes me as a Pot-Kettle scenario.<BR><BR>Sunil<BR></PRE><BR>>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:55:39 -0700<BR>> From:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>> To:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</A><BR>> CC:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Wayne Price
Inquires:<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>>
"So, you don't think a university police department can be
competent<BR>> and be established without a disaster?<BR>> We have
an example 7 miles away over in Pullman. Ever heard of the WSU<BR>>
Police Department or do you think they are a major disaster
too?"<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Yes,
Mr. Price. I have not only heard of the WSU police, I have read<BR>>
about them for often than I care to.<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> If you feel safer with
rent-a-cops securing confines of UI, campaign for<BR>> it, instead of
"thumping your chest" here on the Viz, ok?<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Perhaps the powers that
be should heed another old adage . . .<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> "If it works, don't fix
it."<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> You
might find yourself suffering from the cure.<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Enough
said.<BR>><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> Tom
Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> "The Pessimist complains
about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change<BR>> and the Realist
adjusts his sails."<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>> - Unknown<BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>>
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