<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Wayne,<div><br></div><div>I think you have made a cogent and effective contribution to this discussion on the options that the university has toward on campus policing.</div><div>But one point is that they would not necessarily be a "private" agency, and could very well be a public law enforcement agency as some</div><div>university police departments are throughout the nation.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Wayne</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Apr 16, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Art Deco wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="hmmessage" bgcolor="#ffffff" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; "><div>Choosing any has risks.</div><div> </div><div>I feel that the MPD has improved is several ways since David Duke took over from Cameron Hershaw as assistant chief. And the officer who was in charge of the campus some time ago who smoked the weed is gone.</div><div> </div><div>The MPD is not perfect, and I have been and still am a critic. I hope they can continue to improve. However, the MPD have invested in and continue to invest in training with some of it very applicable to potential campus situations.</div><div> </div><div>I do not think that the UI has the monetary or management resources to recruit, train, and maintain a viable, competent police force. It is an undertaking which is more complex than it appears. </div><div> </div><div>In my years as both an employee and as a consultant my experience has been that private security/policing firms at best are marginally competent and marginally honest, and at worse more corrupt and more incompetent than almost all public law enforcement agencies.</div><div> </div><div>Of course, when looking at bids, it is just not the price that is important, but the quality.</div><div> </div><div>I know that there are some noteworthy issues about the present campus policing. I think the way to handle these are to communicate regularly about them and work through them rather than buy a pig in a poke. Perhaps when President Nellis gets time after dealing with issues and personnel problems bequeathed to him by the last administration, he can set up some mechanism to insure that campus policing by the MPD meets both the requirements of law and addresses the safety issues of campus.</div><div> </div><div>Wayne A. Fox<br>1009 Karen Lane<br>PO Box 9421<br>Moscow, ID 83843</div><div> </div><div><a href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</a><br>208 882-7975</div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="sunilramalingam@hotmail.com" href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, April 16, 2010 5:04 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police</div><div><br></div>I've just got to ask:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Tom, when you ended one of your posts yesterday with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><pre>"Enough EFFING said,"<br><br>How was that not 'chest thumping'here on the Viz? <br><br>The post below really strikes me as a Pot-Kettle scenario.<br><br>Sunil<br></pre><br>> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:55:39 -0700<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a><br>> CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Wayne Price Inquires:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> "So, you don't think a university police department can be competent<br>> and be established without a disaster?<br>> We have an example 7 miles away over in Pullman. Ever heard of the WSU<br>> Police Department or do you think they are a major disaster too?"<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Yes, Mr. Price. I have not only heard of the WSU police, I have read<br>> about them for often than I care to.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> If you feel safer with rent-a-cops securing confines of UI, campaign for<br>> it, instead of "thumping your chest" here on the Viz, ok?<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Perhaps the powers that be should heed another old adage . . .<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> "If it works, don't fix it."<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> You might find yourself suffering from the cure.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Enough said.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change<br>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> - Unknown<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> =======================================================<br><p style="padding-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; "></p><hr><p style="padding-bottom: 0px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px; "></p>=======================================================<br> List services made available by First Step Internet,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</blockquote>=======================================================<br>List services made available by First Step Internet,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> <a href="http://www.fsr.net">http://www.fsr.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <br> <a href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>=======================================================</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>