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When push comes to shove, I just wanna be on the same side as Baldemar Huerta was . . . <br><br>Because Freddie Fender, with or without the Texas Tornadoes, ROCKED. Too "Mexican" for the rock establishment, too gringo for some Chicanos, too liberal for the Opry and too conservative for La Raza -- but an all-round hero in my book!<br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> To: garrettmc@verizon.net; lockshop@pull.twcbc.com<br>> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 19:46:14 -0700<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> You might want to check with Alice Cooper, Bob Seger, Kid Rock, Dave <br>> Mustaine, C.C. Deville, Skunk Baxter, the guys in Metallica, and the Motor <br>> City Madman on that one, Skeezix.<br>> <br>> g<br>> <br>> --------------------------------------------------<br>> From: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc@verizon.net><br>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 6:26 PM<br>> To: <lockshop@pull.twcbc.com><br>> Cc: <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> > don't forget rock and roll is ours and uptight religious fanatics are <br>> > yours...<br>> ><br>> > gclev<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Apr 8, 2010 04:56:23 PM, lockshop@pull.twcbc.com wrote:<br>> ><br>> > ===========================================<br>> ><br>> > Come on Roger, face up to the fact that to the lefty's, everything that's<br>> >><br>> >>good and proper in the world is theirs and conservatives are the owners of<br>> >>all things evil.<br>> >><br>> >>Sunshine<br>> >>rainbows<br>> >>tolerence (please ignore Robert Byrd and the KKK)<br>> >>unicorns<br>> >>fresh air<br>> >>candy canes<br>> >><br>> >>All left wing inventions. Conversely,<br>> >><br>> >>Toxic waste<br>> >>hurricanes<br>> >>earthquakes<br>> >>darkness<br>> >>disease<br>> >>big ickey bugs<br>> >><br>> >>All ours I'm afraid.<br>> >><br>> >>g<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>----- Original Message ----- <br>> >>From: "Saundra Lund"<br>> >>To: "'lfalen'" ; "'Tom<br>> >>Hansen'" ;<br>> >>"'Garrett Clevenger'"<br>> >>Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'"<br>> >>Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 4:21 PM<br>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>> Roger,<br>> >>><br>> >>> As I said, ***read the primary source material*** referenced in the<br>> >>> bibliography -- I have. I'm not asking you to accept Wikipedia's<br>> >>word for<br>> >>> it but rather the expert words of the experts cited.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Again, the definitions you keep repeating ABSOLUTELY DO NOT support your<br>> >><br>> >>> assertion that Nazism is on the left. The reality is that it is <br>> >>> generally<br>> >><br>> >>> accepted by expert scholars that Nazism is on the ***far*** right. If<br>> >>you<br>> >>> want to argue that, have at it, but you're going to have to have an<br>> >><br>> >>> approach other than sticking your fingers in your ears and repeatedly<br>> >>> announcing, "BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!"<br>> >>><br>> >>> My political science husband has suggested trying this un-academic<br>> >>> approach with you since reason is failing to make it through your<br>> >>> misunderstanding. Question: why, Roger, do you suppose around the <br>> >>> world<br>> >><br>> >>> it's FAR RIGHT POLITICIANS -- and not leftist ones -- who have to<br>> >><br>> >>> denounce Nazism and any connection to Nazism???<br>> >>><br>> >>> Answer: IT'S BECAUES NAZISM IS ON THE FAR RIGHT!!!!<br>> >>><br>> >>> Sheesh!<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Saundra Lund<br>> >>> Moscow, ID<br>> >>><br>> >>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to<br>> >>do<br>> >>> nothing.<br>> >>> ~ Edmund Burke<br>> >>><br>> >>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life<br>> >><br>> >>> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or <br>> >>> reproduce<br>> >><br>> >>> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of<br>> >><br>> >>> the author.*****<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> -----Original Message-----<br>> >>> From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com]<br>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:37 PM<br>> >>> To: Saundra Lund; 'Tom Hansen'; 'Garrett Clevenger'<br>> >>> Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'<br>> >>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>><br>> >>> Saundra<br>> >>> Wikipedia is notorious for being inaccurate. Anyone can post to it. Try<br>> >><br>> >>> Merriam-Webster. My source is Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary,<br>> >><br>> >>> copyright 1997, page 767. Nazism- The body and economic doctrines held<br>> >><br>> >>> and put into effect by the National Socialist German Workers Party in <br>> >>> the<br>> >><br>> >>> Third Reich including the totalitarian principle of government, state<br>> >>> control of all industry, predominance of groups assumed to be racially<br>> >><br>> >>> superior, and or the supremacy of the fuhrer.<br>> >>> Roger<br>> >>> -----Original message-----<br>> >>> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm<br>> >>> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:46:09 -0700<br>> >>> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen@turbonet.com, "'Tom Hansen'"<br>> >>thansen@moscow.com,<br>> >>> "'Garrett Clevenger'" garrettmc@verizon.net<br>> >>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>><br>> >>>> Hi Roger,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> First, we're enjoying the pheasants, too -- I'm thinking their<br>> >>temporary<br>> >>>> disappearance was the effect of a brutal winter and wet spring with<br>> >>their<br>> >>>> associated high rates of mortality. I'm glad you're enjoying<br>> >>the<br>> >>>> pheasants<br>> >>>> and quail as much as we are!<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Second, I give up on you. No one is arguing with the Merriam-Webster<br>> >>>> definitions but rather with your extrapolations from those definitions<br>> >>--<br>> >>>> that's where you are dead wrong. Period.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> "Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology<br>> >>and<br>> >>>> practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8]<br>> >><br>> >>>> It<br>> >>>> was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and<br>> >>>> anti-Semitism.[9] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic,<br>> >>>> incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and<br>> >>>> left-wing<br>> >>>> ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[10]."<br>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Read the primary source materials provided in the bibliography, and<br>> >>then<br>> >>>> let<br>> >>>> us know you Get It. Or at least provide an intelligent rebuttal of<br>> >>the<br>> >>>> position of the credible scholars that Nazism is ***far*** right rather<br>> >><br>> >>>> than<br>> >>>> just repeating your personal and erroneous opinion.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Saundra Lund<br>> >>>> Moscow, ID<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people<br>> >>to do<br>> >>>> nothing.<br>> >>>> ~ Edmund Burke<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through<br>> >>life<br>> >>>> plus<br>> >>>> 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce<br>> >><br>> >>>> outside<br>> >>>> the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the<br>> >>>> author.*****<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> -----Original Message-----<br>> >>>> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com<br>> >>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<br>> >>>> On Behalf Of lfalen<br>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:35 AM<br>> >>>> To: Tom Hansen; Garrett Clevenger<br>> >>>> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> I give up on you guys. These were not my definitions that I sent Wayne<br>> >>>> Price, they are from Merriam-Webster. If you do not believe me, check<br>> >><br>> >>>> your<br>> >>>> dictionary. If you want to rewrite the dictionary, maybe you should<br>> >>go<br>> >>>> join<br>> >>>> the Flat Earth Society.<br>> >>>> As for being on the left. The left wing in the 20's embraced both<br>> >>Hitler<br>> >>>> and<br>> >>>> Mussolini up untill the World War II started. They also originated<br>> >><br>> >>>> Eugenics.<br>> >>>> Hitler picked it from them. Both Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell<br>> >>Homes<br>> >>>> supported Eugenics. If you want verification Tom, look it up on Google.<br>> >><br>> >>>> It<br>> >>>> is easy to find.<br>> >>>> Roger<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Note to Saundra- In a post of yours a couple of years ago, you asked<br>> >><br>> >>>> where<br>> >>>> have all the pheasants gone. They are back in my yard and pasture.<br>> >>I<br>> >>>> enjoy<br>> >>>> watching them and the quail.<br>> >>>> -----Original message-----<br>> >>>> From: "Tom Hansen" thansen@moscow.com<br>> >>>> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:17:46 -0700<br>> >>>> To: "Garrett Clevenger" garrettmc@verizon.net<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> > Exactly.<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > What was your first clue, Roger, that the Nazis were/are far left?<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > Their systematic execution of homosexuals?<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > The elimination of individual rights?<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > Or simply their attempt to destroy democracy?<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > Tom Hansen<br>> >>>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > Roger writes:<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > "It is convenient for the left to place them on the<br>> >>right. this makes<br>> >>>> > > it<br>> >>>> > > easier for them to demonise the right and marginalize them<br>> >>by<br>> >>>> > > association."<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > Er, isn't this what Roger just did by saying "The<br>> >>Nazis are on the<br>> >>>> left."?<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > I'll continue his quote to make his nazi one more realisitic.<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > "They ... may want freedom for themselves, but not<br>> >>for others. This<br>> >>>> does<br>> >>>> > > not place them on the {left}, who wants freedom for everyone.<br>> >>{nazis}<br>> >>>> > > basically are kooks and cannot be categorized as being left<br>> >>or<br>> >>>> > > right."<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > So Roger is part right, even if he is or isn't "on<br>> >>the right."<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > Garrett<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> > > =======================================================<br>> >>>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>> > > =======================================================<br>> >>>> > ><br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects<br>> >>it to<br>> >>>> > change<br>> >>>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > - Unknown<br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> ><br>> >>>> > =======================================================<br>> >>>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>> > =======================================================<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> =======================================================<br>> >>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>> =======================================================<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br>> >>Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2797 - Release Date: 04/07/10<br>> >>11:32:00<br>> >><br>> >><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > ======================================================= <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br> <br /><hr />The New Busy is not the old busy. 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