<div>I am not saying President W. Bush deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, except insofar as he was incompetent. And the historical facts in my post are accurate. Name one fact in the post you responded to that is not well verified.</div>
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<div><strong><em>If, and I emphasize if</em></strong>, there was any deliberate intentional malfeasance among agents of the US to exploit a pending terror attack against the US to promote the agenda of the "Project for the New American Century" (Cheney and Rumsfeld supported this project) which is rather explicit in documents noting that a "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for an expansion of US military hegemony, President W. Bush would likely have been a figure head, not a planner of such malfeasance, and likely kept out of the loop.</div>
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<div>Some think that Cheney was more president, in reality, than Bush during his presidency.</div>
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<div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM, lfalen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Your history is distorted. Bush did not allow 9/11 to happen anymore than FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen( I am not a fan of either). On Pearl Harbor the Japanese code was broken and a message was sent out. Neither FDR or the military higher ups received it.<br>
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<div class="h5">-----Original message-----<br>From: Ted Moffett <a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a><br>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:33:05 -0700<br>To: Paul Rumelhart <a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Power Hour "Libertarian" Radio Show PromotesClaim of 9/11 Cover-up[<br><br>> President Bush's August briefing before 9/11 explicitly stated "Bin Laden<br>> determined to strike in US."<br>
><br>> I question the theory that the 9/11 attacks and the collapse of the<br>> buildings involved was orchestrated by agents of the US. But the theory<br>> that 9/11 was "allowed" to happen, that there was substantial evidence that<br>
> terrorists were going to strike the US, but the aggressive actions required<br>> to stop the attack were deliberately avoided, is possible, given that the<br>> neo-con "Project for the New American Century" explicitly stated in military<br>
> think tank analysis prior to 9/11 ("Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy,<br>> Forces and Resources for a New Century" September 2000:<br>> <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf</a> ), that a<br>
> "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for the expansion of US<br>> military power into the Middle East and elsewhere.<br>><br>> At best, the fact that more aggressive steps were not taken to stop the 9/11<br>
> attacks, reveals gross incompetence, if not a deliberate conspiracy to<br>> exploit a major terror attack against the US as a "new Pearl Harbor" to<br>> expand US military/economic hegemony. Cheney and Rumsfeld signed the<br>
> "Statement of Principles" for the "Project for the New American Century" in<br>> 1997 ( <a href="http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm</a> ). It is<br>
> no surprise they assumed positions of great power in the second Bush<br>> administration, given the agenda to expand US military/economic hegemony was<br>> planned well in advance, if they could gain the White House back.<br>
><br>> I won't continue a history lesson here (the two websites below offer a<br>> critical analysis of 9/11 orthodoxy). But there are very serious questions<br>> that can be raised regarding why more aggressive steps were not taken to<br>
> stop the 9/11 plot, given the information we know the US government<br>> possessed regarding the plans for a terror attack on the US, who might carry<br>> out such an attack, and that use of commercial aircraft as terror weapons<br>
> was known prior to 9/11 as a likely method. Bush administration national<br>> security advisor Condoleeza Rice was either woefully uninformed, which I<br>> doubt given her intelligence, or engaging in "spin" propaganda to hide the<br>
> tracks of Bush administration failures regarding the 9/11 attacks, when she<br>> made the statements quoted from the second website below:<br>><br>> <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html" target="_blank">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html</a><br>
><br>> ---------------------<br>> <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_post-9/11_world=denials&timeline=complete_911_timeline" target="_blank">http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_post-9/11_world=denials&timeline=complete_911_timeline</a><br>
><br>> >From website immediately above:<br>> May 16, 2002: Nobody Predicted 9/11-Style Attacks, Says Condoleezza<br></div></div>> Rice<<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a051602rice#a051602rice" target="_blank">http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a051602rice#a051602rice</a>><br>
> [image: Edit event]<<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/eventedit.jsp?oid=1626004942-36209&drafts=null&timeline=complete_911_timeline" target="_blank">http://www.historycommons.org/eventedit.jsp?oid=1626004942-36209&drafts=null&timeline=complete_911_timeline</a>><br>
<div class="im">><br>><br>> [image: National Security Adviser Rice tries to explain what Bush knew and<br>> when in her May 16, 2002 press conference.]National Security Adviser Rice<br>> tries to explain what Bush knew and when in her May 16, 2002 press<br>
> conference. *[Source: CNN]*National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice<br>> states, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would<br>> take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one<br>
> and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a<br>> missile,” adding that “even in retrospect” there was “nothing” to suggest<br>> that. [White House,<br></div>> 5/16/2002<<a href="http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html" target="_blank">http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html</a>><br>
<div class="im">> ] Contradicting Rice’s claims, former CIA Deputy Director John Gannon<br>> acknowledges that such a scenario has long been taken seriously by US<br>> intelligence: “If you ask anybody could terrorists convert a plane into a<br>
> missile? [N]obody would have ruled that out.” Rice also states, “The<br>> overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that was<br>> likely to take place overseas.” [MSNBC, 5/17/2002] Slate awards Rice the<br>
> “Whopper of the Week” when the title of Bush’s August 6 briefing is<br>> revealed: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.” [Slate,<br></div>> 5/23/2002<<a href="http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154" target="_blank">http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154</a>><br>
<div class="im">> ] Rice later will concede that “somebody did imagine it” but will say she<br>> did not know about such intelligence until well after this conference.<br>> [Associated<br>> Press, 9/21/2002]<br>
> ------------------------------------------<br>><br></div>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br>
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<div class="h5">> On 3/14/10, Paul Rumelhart <<a href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Trust, once lost, takes a lot of work to get back. When you have the U.S.<br>
> > government arming Osama and the CIA enabling drug trafficking for the<br>> > Contras, it's not a big stretch to wonder if they had any involvement in<br>> > 9/11. There are enough strange things surrounding 9/11 that I would not be<br>
> > surprised to find the government was involved.<br>> ><br>> > The reason I obey traffic laws has more to do with safety than trust of the<br>> > government. Generally, the system works well enough that you can at least<br>
> > have some faith in a contract, and some hope the police will respond if you<br>> > call them. I wouldn't want to be the guy that happened across some<br>> > confidential documents or saw the wrong thing go down at the wrong time,<br>
> > though.<br>> ><br>> > Paul<br>> ><br>> > Wayne Price wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Ted, et al,<br>> >><br>> >> One has to ask, or at least I do, why would people put any faith in these<br>
> >> wild stories? While, I don't agree with 9/11 being an inside job, there is<br>> >> a general distrust of ALL levels of government that just<br>> >> feed into things like this. And not just on the national level, but more<br>
> >> importantly at the local levels as well. For instance, does anyone living in<br>> >> Northern Idaho really think the "boys in Boise" even care about North<br>> >> Idaho?<br>> >> If they feel that way, why? Does anyone trust an employment contract or<br>
> >> retirement contract with the U of I? If not, why? Can you trust that the<br>> >> speed limits on our county roads are legitimate? If not, why?<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Distrust of "government",once it starts, is hard to turn around and I<br>
> >> believe that in America, we have a long long way to go. Perceptions, good or<br>> >> bad are real, even though they may not be true. And it is in the light of<br>> >> those perceptions that people live, not in light of the truth or falsity of<br>
> >> an issue.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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<div class="h5">> >> On Mar 13, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> There are a lot of "conservatives" who believe in a government cover-up<br>> >>> regarding the facts of 9/11.<br>
> >>> There is a radio show that has a large following that has been on the<br>> >>> air for years, that I have listened to numerous times on shortwave, that is<br>> >>> very political but in some ways hard to stereotype. I suppose you could<br>
> >>> call it hard core libertarian (they passionately promoted Ron Paul's<br>> >>> presidential bid), which means that it is very distrustful of government in<br>> >>> a consistent aggressive way that many traditional "mainstream" conservatives<br>
> >>> are not. Anti-abortion views are expressed, which fits the current<br>> >>> Republican agenda, but there are two issues that have received a lot of air<br>> >>> time where the show has argued for government cover-ups, Gulf War Syndrome<br>
> >>> among vets, and 9/11. This show aggressively attacked the Bush<br>> >>> administration, and is doing the same to Obama's. Main website for this<br>> >>> radio show:<br>> >>> <a href="http://www.thepowerhour.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thepowerhour.com/</a><br>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------<br>> >>> The following documentary described at the website below, promoted by<br>> >>> "The Power Hour," pulls no punches regarding what it claims was "a massive<br>
> >>> cover-up" regarding 9/11:<br>> >>> <a href="http://www.thepowermall.com/" target="_blank">http://www.thepowermall.com/</a><br>> >>> *911 In Plane Site<br>> >>><br>
> >>> *New* "The Directors Cut" *with *"More Footage - More Photographs - More<br>> >>> Evidence" *<br>> >>><br>> >>> *PRODUCER: Dave vonKleist*<br>> >>> DIRECTOR: William Lewis<br>
> >>><br>> >>> Due to the overwhelming response of "911 In Plane Site," we were able to<br>> >>> collect mountains of new footage and photographs from sources all over the<br>
> >>> world. We can now say, without a shadow of doubt, that we have undeniable<br>> >>> evidence of a massive cover-up. From the 16 ft. hole in the outer walls of<br>> >>> the Pentagon to the news reports of bombs, explosions and potential<br>
> >>> demolition of World Trade Centers 1, 2 and 7, to the strange attachment on<br>> >>> the bottom of Flight 175 and the mysterious flashes caught on videotape by<br>> >>> at least five separate sources, it is clear - 911 was an inside job.<br>
> >>><br>> >>> From Dave vonKleist, co-host of The Power Hour radio program and<br>> >>> writer/producer of the album "Will Someone Listen" & William Lewis, producer<br>> >>> of "American Freedom News", "TruNews" and producer/writer of the album<br>
> >>> "Police State" comes a full length documentary exposing one of the largest<br>> >>> conspiracies ever uncovered. With the pounding force of a sledgehammer you<br>> >>> will find yourself horrified and astonished at the shear scope of the<br>
> >>> largest transgressions ever carried out against the people of the United<br>> >>> States and indeed... of the entire world.<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> ------------------------------------------<br>
> >>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<br></div></div>> >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Gier, Nicholas <<a href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a><mailto:<br>
<div class="im">> >>> <a href="mailto:NGIER@uidaho.edu">NGIER@uidaho.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> Greetings:<br>> >>><br>> >>> The Tea Party candidate in the three-way primary for Texas<br>
> >>> governor said to Glenn Beck that she was still looking at the<br>> >>> evidence for a 9-11 cover-up. Beck's response was something like<br>> >>> "We'd better look at another candidate!" Yes the Tea Party<br>
> >>> people include not only "birthers" but "truthers."<br>> >>><br>> >>> Nick Gier<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>
> >>> -----Original Message-----<br>> >>> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a><br></div>
<div class="im">> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>> on behalf of Garrett Clevenger<br>> >>> Sent: Fri 3/12/2010 11:36 AM<br>
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<div class="h5">> >>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>><br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] teabaggers<br>
> >>><br>> >>> "I have yet to see you, Tom, Nick or Wayne comment on those left<br>> >>> wingers<br>> >>> that think that 9/11 was an inside job of the Bush Administration."<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> I don't think only some left-wingers believe that. Some<br>> >>> far-righters think there is a greater conspiracy relating to<br>> >>> that, too.<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> I don't think it's a stretch, though, to assume GWB used 911 to<br>> >>> advance an agenda they had been planning on for a while (the<br>
> >>> PATRIOT act, invading Iraq, etc)<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> That makes GWB look suspicious, especially considering some of<br>> >>> the discrepancies surrounding the 911 commission, which Bush<br>
> >>> initially was against.<br>> >>><br>> >>> It's also suspicious that that Bush and Cheney both refused to<br>> >>> testify under oath to the 911 commission.<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Until someone looks at the arguments the 911 truthers are<br>> >>> conveying (and there is lots of interesting arguments in their<br>> >>> favor) you probably shouldn't be condemning what they say.<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> I have no idea what the truth is, but I do know that powerful<br>> >>> people are in control and do despicable things to advance their<br>> >>> power, whether thats an islamofacist or whoever...<br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Garrett Clevenger<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>
> >>><br>> >>><br>> >><br>><br>><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>