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<DIV>That is the definition of <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>copout</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>.</DIV>
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<DIV>Glad your safe.</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 3/1/10, Sue Hovey <I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>I didn't avoid the question, and certainly not the issue. Maybe you should re-read my post. It's pretty straightforward. Anyway, I'm done with it. I have work to do. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:28 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A title=thansen@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> ; <A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=gschroed@senate.state.id.us href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gschroed@senate.state.id.us" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:gschroed@senate.state.id.us">gschroed@senate.state.id.us</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>You avoided my question and the issue. </DIV>
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<DIV>We both seem to agree that if the life or possibility of quality of care of a patient is in question the patient care comes before the beliefs of the individual provider of that care.</DIV>
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<DIV>Where we seem to disagree, is that you even if it isn't an emergency, and accommodation can easily and readily be made for the provider of the care, you still object to making that accommodation. Why?</DIV>
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<DIV>Further, don't you think less people would be willing to provide care if they are forced to do something they want to do and they believe is a grave sin? Won't this overall decrease the level of needed care providers and raise the costs of medical care? Why would you want to unnecessarily inflict this kind of harm on an already understaffed and needed profession? </DIV>
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<DIV>It seems to me, if an employer can reasonably meet the needs of nurses and other care providers without sacrificing the type or quality of care for a patient, they should do so. If they don't, care providers and nurses, and people in the patient care business will leave of choose other professions, and that will for surely reduce the quality of care while increasing the costs of medical care.</DIV>
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<DIV>Please stay safe out there on the Big Island.</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 2/28/10, Sue Hovey <I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#150e00 size=4>That's a fair question. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#150e00 size=4> If my religious beliefs harm someone else, in this case the person needing the care, and possibly the employer; then the overriding issue is the potential harm. I agree this can get sticky. Remember the school case in which young jr. high boys were wearing ceremonial knives as a part of their religious garb and the school district policy prohibited carrying knives or other weapons into the school? The knives had the potential to harm, the courts said the school district had not erred in prohibiting them. I agree. Same point, I think.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Tom Hansen</A> ; <A title="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title="mailto:gschroed@senate.state.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gschroed@senate.state.id.us" rel=nofollow target=_blank>gschroed@senate.state.id.us</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 face=Calibri>You wrote,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 face=Calibri>"I would require the signing of a statement in which an employee agreed to provide all services that would ordinarily be offered by an employee working in that capacity. So if you told the truth, I wouldn't hire you, Donovan. The bill states you have to give me notification in advance of the need, so I think I would have reason to fire you if you lied, then later you refused and claimed protection under the provisions of Idaho Code 18-611."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Sue, are you for discrimination on the basis of religious or spiritual beliefs? I cannot see your statement as being anything else but. The law states so as well. </DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 2/27/10, Sue Hovey <I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Cc: gschroed@senate.state.id.us<BR>Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:59 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Such a flip response.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>It seems to me this bill has some serious flaws. Those who claim <SPAN>personhood</SPAN> begins with fertilization will certainly see it from a different perspective than those who do not. Regardless, it seems to me its flaws are more serious than its intentions are benign. I have some observations for its sponsor, but it will probably pass before I get the answers to any of my questions. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>1. If one is providing a prescription s/he is killing nothing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>2. I don't see anything in the bill that speaks to having someone else there, "willing and able to do it," as you say, so I believe your premise is somewhat flawed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>3. A great many drugs, which are taken for other purposes, can sometimes cause spontaneous abortions. Should a pharmacist be allowed to refuse to fill those because s/he has reason to think a woman might be pregnant and might be planning to use them as an abortifacient? The law certainly appears to allow that in Section (2) which is crystal clear: "No health care professional shall be required to provide any health care service that violates his or her conscience." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>4. Regarding subsection six: If, in an emergency, might a health care professional kill a mother in order to save a newborn? It reads: "Shall provide treatment and care," but it doesn't specify to whom, or whether that care would have to be the kind the patient's doctor ordered. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>5. Should this bill pass, If I were an employer, on the application for employment, I would require the signing of a statement in which an employee agreed to provide all services that would ordinarily be offered by an employee working in that capacity. So if you told the truth, I wouldn't hire you, Donovan. The bill states you have to give me notification in advance of the need, so I think I would have reason to fire you if you lied, then later you refused and claimed protection under the provisions of Idaho Code 18-611.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>6. Interestingly, Idaho Code 18-604 doesn't identify abortifacients so much as it defines items which are not. So it certainly doesn't serve as much of a delimiter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>7. Two other issues deal with treatment using embryonic stem cells and end of life care. That one puzzles me the most--are they just gearing up in case the people of the State of Idaho pass a vote to allow assisted suicide? Like that is going to happen here!! What legal end of life measures could a person ethically refuse to do now? Seems as though that's overkill....an appropriate word, I think, for SB 1353. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>And thanks to Senator Schroeder for the critical issues you raised in your debate. I appreciated what you had to say.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 26, 2010 10:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Tom Hansen</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>I think it is a good idea to give health care provides the option of declining to kill a baby, etus, embryo, zygote, or fertilized egg if someone else is there willing and able to do it. Why not?</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 2/26/10, Tom Hansen <I><<A href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:.<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Tom Hansen <<A title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience<BR>To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <<A title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:50 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Greetings <SPAN>Visionaires</SPAN> -<BR><BR>Today in the Idaho Senate, Senate Bill 1353 passed by a vote of 21 to 13.<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Senate Bill 1353<BR>(by STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE)<BR><BR>FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE - HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS - Adds to existing law<BR>relating to abortion and end of life care to provide freedom of conscience<BR>for health care professionals.<BR><BR>Senate Bill 1353<BR><A title="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf</A><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>District 6's own Senator Schroeder commented prior to submitting his vote.<BR><BR><A
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