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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#150e00 size=4>That's a fair
question. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#150e00 size=4></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><FONT color=#150e00 size=4> If my religious beliefs
harm someone else, in this case the person needing the care, and possibly the
employer; then the overriding issue is the potential harm. I agree this
can get sticky. Remember the school case in which young jr. high boys were
wearing ceremonial knives as a part of their religious garb and the school
district policy prohibited carrying knives or other weapons into the
school? The knives had the potential to harm, the courts said the school
district had not erred in prohibiting them. I agree. Same point, I
think.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow Vision 2020</A> ; <A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> ; <A
title="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:gschroed@senate.state.id.us CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:gschroed@senate.state.id.us">gschroed@senate.state.id.us</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of
Conscience</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 face=Calibri>You wrote,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 face=Calibri>"I would require the signing of a
statement in which an employee agreed to provide all services that would
ordinarily be offered by an employee working in that capacity. So if
you told the truth, I wouldn't hire you, Donovan. The bill states
you have to give me notification in advance of the need, so I think I
would have reason to fire you if you lied, then later you refused and
claimed protection under the provisions of Idaho Code
18-611."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Sue, are you for discrimination on the basis of religious or
spiritual beliefs? I cannot see your statement as being anything else but.
The law states so as well. </DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 2/27/10, Sue Hovey
<I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com>, "Tom Hansen"
<thansen@moscow.com><BR>Cc: gschroed@senate.state.id.us<BR>Date:
Saturday, February 27, 2010, 10:59 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Donovan,
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Such a flip
response.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>It seems to me this bill
has some serious flaws. Those who claim <SPAN>personhood</SPAN>
begins with fertilization will certainly see it from a different
perspective than those who do not. Regardless, it seems to me its
flaws are more serious than its intentions are benign. I have
some observations for its sponsor, but it will probably pass before
I get the answers to any of my questions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>1. If one is
providing a prescription s/he is killing nothing. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>2. I don't see
anything in the bill that speaks to having someone else
there, "willing and able to do it," as you say, so I believe your
premise is somewhat flawed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>3. A great many
drugs, which are taken for other purposes, can sometimes cause
spontaneous abortions. Should a pharmacist be allowed to
refuse to fill those because s/he has reason to think a woman might be
pregnant and might be planning to use them as an
abortifacient? The law certainly appears to allow that in Section
(2) which is crystal clear: "No health care
professional shall be required to provide any health care service that
violates his or her conscience." </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>4. Regarding
subsection six: If, in an emergency, might a health care
professional kill a mother in order to save a newborn? It
reads: "Shall provide treatment and care," but it doesn't specify
to whom, or whether that care would have to be the kind the
patient's doctor ordered. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>5. Should this bill
pass, If I were an employer, on the application for employment, I would
require the signing of a statement in which an employee agreed to
provide all services that would ordinarily be offered by an employee
working in that capacity. So if you told the truth, I wouldn't
hire you, Donovan. The bill states you have to give me
notification in advance of the need, so I think I would have reason to
fire you if you lied, then later you refused and claimed protection
under the provisions of Idaho Code 18-611.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>6. Interestingly,
Idaho Code 18-604 doesn't identify abortifacients so much as it
defines items which are not. So it certainly doesn't serve as
much of a delimiter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>7. Two other issues
deal with treatment using embryonic stem cells and end of life
care. That one puzzles me the most--are they just gearing up in
case the people of the State of Idaho pass a vote to allow assisted
suicide? Like that is going to happen
here!! What legal end of life measures could a
person ethically refuse to do now? Seems as though
that's overkill....an appropriate word, I think, for SB
1353. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>And thanks to Senator
Schroeder for the critical issues you raised in your debate. I
appreciated what you had to say.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue
Hovey</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com"
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ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 26, 2010 10:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Moscow
Vision 2020</A> ; <A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of
Conscience</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>I think it is a good idea to give health care provides the
option of declining to kill a baby, etus, embryo, zygote, or
fertilized egg if someone else is there willing and
able to do it. Why not?</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 2/26/10, Tom Hansen <I><<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:.<BR></DIV>
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Tom Hansen <<A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
[Vision2020] Senate Bill 1353 - Freedom of Conscience<BR>To:
"Moscow Vision 2020" <<A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
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ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Date:
Friday, February 26, 2010, 7:50 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>Greetings <SPAN>Visionaires</SPAN>
-<BR><BR>Today in the Idaho Senate, Senate Bill 1353 passed by a
vote of 21 to
13.<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Senate
Bill 1353<BR>(by STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE)<BR><BR>FREEDOM OF
CONSCIENCE - HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS - Adds to existing
law<BR>relating to abortion and end of life care to provide
freedom of conscience<BR>for health care
professionals.<BR><BR>Senate Bill 1353<BR><A
title="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Abortion_FreedomOfConscience.pdf</A><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>District
6's own Senator Schroeder commented prior to submitting his
vote.<BR><BR><A
title="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Schroeder_022610.mp3 CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Schroeder_022610.mp3"
rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho/S_1353_Schroeder_022610.mp3</A><BR><BR>Thoughts?<BR><BR>The
Idaho Senate debate, concerning S1353, has been recorded i
its<BR>entirety and will be posted <SPAN>online</SPAN> under the
"Moscow Cares" banner after I<BR>complete converting and posting
a rather interesting 1932 Oldsmobile<BR>commercial that I am
certain most of you will find entertaining.<BR><BR>Seeya round
town, Moscow,<BR><BR>Tom Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>"The
Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
change<BR>and the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR><BR>-
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