<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sunil,<div><br></div><div>Oh, I agree with you 100% that this is a total abdication by the state and yes, it does leave out the students that can't afford the tutors.</div><div>Now, what has to happen is the PUBLIC has to create such an atmosphere with the legislature that idiotic suggestions that crept here</div><div>from Utah are throw in the dust bin where they belong!</div><div><br></div><div>All I was saying is that if the "Boys in Boise" do pass this hair-brained idea, there are alternatives that will spring up. For instance,</div><div>I'd be willing to take on 5 students that need a tutor, and at about $250.00 per student per month, I'd even be willing to take on</div><div>one or two that can't pay. </div><div><br></div><div>This is also an ideal situation for organizations such as NSA that have teachers and the facilities. I'm sure that the U of I wouldn't be interested in it even though</div><div>it will be quite lucrative. And because it's a "tutorial", I don't have to have an education degree to teach students, which I would have to have if I offered this at the </div><div>High School. </div><div><br></div><div>Wayne<br><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Feb 17, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote</div><div><br></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; ">Wayne,<br><br>This would allow the state to abdicate its duty to educate students, and leave out the kids whose parents can't afford to hire tutors. I don't see that as a win. The public bears these costs because they produce a public good.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">bear@moscow.com</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vpschwaller@gmail.com">vpschwaller@gmail.com</a><br>> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:52:36 -0800<br>> CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] One Way to Save the State Lots and Lots of Money<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> While I understand the initial knee-jerk reaction is that this is bad,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> maybe it's not.<br>> The high flyers in the 11th grade wouldn't be held back, and the less<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> than sharp students would require<br>> extra work, which will spawn jobs as tutors and "crammers" as utilized<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> in the UK, creating a cottge<br>> industry.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The over all tax payers will save money, and while there will be fewer<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> students in our high schools,<br>> they will be better students. The parents of those that are less than<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> brilliant, will hire tutors for those<br>> that the system leaves behind, and those students will make excellent<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> students if they get accepted<br>> into colleges.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> And this way, while the "state" is providing a basic level of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> education, the parents and or students that<br>> wish to take advantage of additional tutoring will bear the cost<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> rather than the public.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Feb 17, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Glenn Schwaller wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > I found it quite interesting the editorial in the MPDN addressing this<br>> > issue ran juxtaposed to an op-ed article on how incoming freshmen are<br>> > so poorly prepared for the rigors of a university education. Imagine<br>> > having to teach remedial math, English and reading to high school<br>> > graduates under the current circumstances. And someone wants to<br>> > fast-track them!<br>> ><br>> > GS<br>> ><br>> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Tom Hansen <<a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > wrote:<br>> >> Oh, yeah. This'll work.<br>> >><br>> >> Courtesy of Associated Content at:<br>> >><br>> >><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2708945/utah_senator_proposes_eliminating_12th.html">http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2708945/utah_senator_proposes_eliminating_12th.html</a><br>> >><br>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> >><br>> >> Utah Senator Proposes Eliminating 12th Grade<br>> >> Get Rid of 12th Grade in Utah to Save Money, Says Senator<br>> >> By McCarvel<br>> >><br>> >> Utah State Sen. Chris Buttars on February 1st appeared before the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> Public<br>> >> Education Appropriations Subcommittee and suggested that Utah schools<br>> >> eliminate the twelfth grade and get rid of busing for high school<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> students<br>> >> to save $60 million. He said this grade was a waste of time for most<br>> >> students and that many squander away this year, which costs the state<br>> >> millions of dollars.<br>> >><br>> >> However, concerned educators said this idea would wreak havoc on<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> college<br>> >> admissions and will create substandard education. Strenuous<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> objections<br>> >> from parents and teachers caused Buttars to back off somewhat and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> change<br>> >> his proposal to making the senior year optional.<br>> >><br>> >> My child is in the 10th grade at a High School in St. George, Utah.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> My<br>> >> three other children have already graduated. As a parent, I believe<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> kids<br>> >> are not fully matured at 17 years old and need the senior year to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> allow<br>> >> them more life experience. I want them to have the wonderful<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> experiences<br>> >> of "senior year." It is a noble goal for them to achieve.<br>> >><br>> >> Without senior year, many would be left to do nothing. The job<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> market in<br>> >> southern Utah is in a desperate situation and certainly adding<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> thousands<br>> >> of 17 years olds would not help the quality of life here for either<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> the<br>> >> child or the community. What does a 17 year old do without school<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> or a<br>> >> job? Frankly, many kids are not academically prepared well at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> junior year<br>> >> and that would negatively affect the colleges in Utah.<br>> >><br>> >> According to the Salt Lake Tribune (<a href="http://www.sltrib.com">www.sltrib.com</a>), Utah has a $700<br>> >> million budget shortfall, so $60 million is a significant cut.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> However,<br>> >> most parents will agree with teachers who say this grade is<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> important to<br>> >> the development of the student. We are preparing them to enter the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> world<br>> >> in this grade. I have seen my own children sense that they are<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> reaching a<br>> >> major goal in their life when completing the 12th grade and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> graduating<br>> >> from high school. Just because the state of Utah faces a budget<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> crisis in<br>> >> education which every state has for the last 30 years, it is no<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> reason to<br>> >> create an unemployment crisis and make Utah kids miss out on crucial<br>> >> instruction that they need for college admission. According to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> Utah<br>> >> Board of Education (<a href="http://www.usoe.k12.ut.us">www.usoe.k12.ut.us</a>) it makes no sense to make<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> students<br>> >> less prepared for college than they are already. Sen. Buttars<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> proposal has<br>> >> caused a firestorm of attention from parents, teachers and students<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> almost<br>> >> all of whom are against his plan. 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