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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Hey, good for you. and
Tony Stewart was and is a wonderful human being, too. Seems to me you are
saying that lawyers you consider "good" in whatever context, are good, not
because they are lawyers, but because they are good human beings. I agree
with you; it isn't the career that defines a person's morality and humaneness,
it’s the individual himself or herself; but isn't that true in all
cases? you've built yourself a conundrum and I'm done with it.
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:ophite@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas Schou</A> ; <A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A> ; <A
title="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know who Morris Dees is. I was a member of the Human Rights Task
Force through its North Idaho College College student group, called
the NIC Human Equality Club, where I served as Vice-President in the club,
our mentor was Tony Stewart, now an officer for the Task Force.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I lived in Hayden for 8 years, about 2 miles from the Aryan
Nations Compound. I drove past it every time I went to my best
friends house. I avoided eating at the Owl Cafe because that restaurant
reserved a table for Butler and his cronies. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Morris Dees was brought in by the Human Rights Task Force to bring
down the Aryan Nations by suing him into debt in a case
involving a woman and her son by members of the Aryan Nations.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Morris Dees was successful in suing and getting the compound and
destroying it. However, let us not forget, that it was the work of
thousands of people like Tony Stewart and members of the Task Force that
were fighting the Aryan Nations for decades, even when the Aryans were
supported by a significant portion of the population, that enabled Dees to
have the kind of success he did. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't think his work, as good as it is, was comparable to that
non-lawyers in the field fighting for human rights, and it didn't compare
to the winning of enough battles to defeat a nation and giving the nation
its independence. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There are a few good people that happen to be lawyers, but there is
no good lawyer, except for the ones that are dead, quit practicing,
or work for free or about $40 an hour.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I only know of one practicing Moscow lawyer that I know and like
personally, but I don't think that person is a good lawyer at all, and
would not want them representing me.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Basically, I don't like the way modern lawyers think about
people, justice, and the community. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/3/10, Sue
<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
<I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From:
Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Say What?<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold"
<donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com>, "Andreas Schou"
<ophite@gmail.com>, "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:17
PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>And this tells me you don't
know who Morris Dees is...and your words below also tell me
you don't mean it in your emails where you acknowledge there are "a
few good lawyers." That's just a cowardly statement to give
you an out when you deal with local attorneys on the Viz.
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:46 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ophite@gmail.com
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ophite@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">Andreas
Schou</A> ; <A
title="mailto:thansen@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom
Hansen</A> ; <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue
Hovey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Say What?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
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<DIV>And yet the problem with your analogy is
that points to the reality that even a traitor of
Benedict's caliber has done more for the country than the
best of men with a law degree.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 2/3/10, Sue
<SPAN>Hovey</SPAN> <I><<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>></I></B>
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Sue <SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">suehovey@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com</A>>,
"Andreas <SPAN>Schou</SPAN>" <<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ophite@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:ophite@gmail.com">ophite@gmail.com</A>>, "Tom
Hansen" <<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow..com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>><BR>Cc:
<A
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Date:
Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:20 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Well Donovan,
you're at it again with your generalizations tailor
made to fit your rhetoric, e.g.. colonels and
colons. Let's see now: Benedict Arnold, the
soldier, as opposed to Morris Dees, the trial lawyer. To
quote Donovan, "One is full of honor and the other?"
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue H.
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 01, 2010 1:32 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:ophite@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ophite@gmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Andreas Schou</A> ; <A
title=thansen@moscow.com
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>Tom Hansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>The problem with Hansen's analogy is that what a
colonel has to say has some relevance and truth to it in
the real world, where as the words of a trial lawyer
usually don't. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I hope Hansen will refrain from insulting men and
women in uniform by reducing their relevancy to that of a
trial lawyer. They deserve better than this. Soldiers put
their lives on the line, they fight for something real....
They serve their country and others with honor. The polar
opposite of most lawyers.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is as much difference between a colonel and
trial lawyer as there is between a colonel and a colon.
One is full of honor the other full is full of, well, I
will let you fill in the blank. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan Arnold</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 2/1/10, Tom Hansen
<I><thansen@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Say What?<BR>To: "Andreas
<SPAN>Schou</SPAN>" <ophite@gmail.com><BR>Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com,
donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com<BR>Date: Monday, February
1, 2010, 8:04 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>“Son, we live in a world that has
walls, and those walls have to be<BR>guarded by men with
guns. Whose gonna do it? You? I have
more<BR>responsibility here than you could possibly
fathom. You weep for Santiago,<BR>and you curse the
marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury
of<BR>not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death,
while tragic, probably<BR>saved lives. And that my
existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible<BR>to
you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you don't
talk about at<BR>parties, you don’t want me on that
wall, you need me on that wall. We use<BR>words like
honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone
of a<BR>life spent defending something. You use them as
a punchline. I have<BR>neither the time nor the
inclination to explain myself to a man who rises<BR>and
sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide,
then question<BR>the manner in which I provide it. I
prefer you said thank you, and went on<BR>your way,
Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to
post.<BR>Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think
you are entitled to!”<BR><BR>- Jack Nicholson, as
Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good
Men"<BR><BR>-----------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>It
wouldn't be that big of an imaginary stretch to say that
these comments<BR>made by "Colonel
<SPAN><SPAN>Jessup</SPAN></SPAN>" could, with just a few
minor modifications, apply<BR>to the duties and
commitment of those in the legal profession.<BR><BR>I
mean . . . I could just see Sunil "Colonel Jessup"
Ramalingam addressing<BR>the likes of Donovan Arnold and
Roger Falen with these comments.<BR><BR>Tom
Hansen<BR>Moscow, Idaho<BR><BR>"The Pessimist complains
about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change<BR>and
the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR><BR>-
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