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<DIV>You sound like someone that is in denial about the state of the nation, the planet, and the economy. </DIV>
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<DIV>I don't attack all lawyers, just the bad ones. </DIV>
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<DIV>Most teachers are productive useful members of society with a very difficult job. There job is very difficult because lawyers have made it that way, unnecessarily, and with great detriment to the teachers, and more importantly to the students. </DIV>
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<DIV>Here is a question for you Warren, can you name one national problem in the United States that has not been caused or compounded by lawyers? Another question; why does the United States need more lawyers then that rest of the countries in the world COMBINED? </DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/23/10, Warren Hayman <I><whayman@roadrunner.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Warren Hayman <whayman@roadrunner.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Supreme Court Overturns Ban on Corporate Election<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com>, vision2020@moscow.com, "John Pool" <jpool@moscow.com>, "Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN>" <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 5:15 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond>With all due respect, your consistent postings against all lawyers sounds very much like a student who received a failing grade from one teacher who knows how long ago, and has blamed every teacher since.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Garamond>I hope I'm wrong,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A title=jpool@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpool@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jpool@moscow.com">John Pool</A> ; <A title=suehovey@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=suehovey@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue <SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN></A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 22, 2010 9:04 PM</DIV>
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<DIV>Sue says I blame the wrong folks, I disagree, I blame the lawyers, and the ones that did this are all lawyers. The proof is in the pudding. </DIV>
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<DIV>Why is it that everyone, including Sue, that gives the example of a good work by a lawyer it involves stopping or thwarting off the deeds of another lawyer? Their examples only further provide evidence the world is a better place with less or none of them. </DIV>
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<DIV>Lawyers, politicians, and the like are worthless in a natural environment and do not create any wealth, they just divide it and take it from others. Real professions produce wealth and value. Lawyers do not. </DIV>
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<DIV>Many lawyers hide behind a false cloak of justice. But no person is serving justice at $200 an hour and billing for endless hours. </DIV>
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<DIV>No other profession provides so little at such a high cost to society. Our justice system is a joke, run by a system so corrupt it wouldn't know justice if it bit them on the ass. When a man has to mortgage his house and sell his car to prove his is innocent, get a divorce, or pay off medical bills, we have a crappy legal system. </DIV>
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<DIV>Lawyers use to be a noble. But now they have brought this country's legal system and economy almost to its knees, all for their personal profit.</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/23/10, Sue Hovey <I><suehovey@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Sue <SPAN><SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></SPAN> <suehovey@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Supreme Court Overturns Ban on Corporate Election<BR>To: "Donovan Arnold" <donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com>, vision2020@moscow.com, "John Pool" <jpool@moscow.com><BR>Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 4:29 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>It seems to me Donovan's opinion is shared by a goodly number who just want to berate lawyers for any and everything that happens in the world of politics, malpractice suits, legal opinions and legislation. This is NOT about the legal system. It's about 5 members of the U. S. Supreme Court who do not care about the dangers inherent in overturning this precedent of many years' standing. They have been shills for corporate America for all their professional lives. There is little reason to have expected them to make a philosophical turn to the left and protect American citizens rather than Dow Chemical, Halliburton, etc. I continue to be grateful for those members of the legal profession who serve American citizens through their efforts to protect us. Their numbers are legion. They work in the city and state court system, in private
practice, for entities such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, and yes, thank god, for the ACLU. They did not make this decision, nor did they support its outcome. They will, as will the rest of us, suffer, as more elections are determined by corporate greed, and with fewer winners who are committed to protecting the civil rights of common citizens. This really is a sad outcome, but Donovan blames the wrong folks. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#150e00 size=4 face=Calibri>Sue <SPAN>Hovey</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 22, 2010 3:53 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A title="mailto:jpool@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpool@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>John Pool</A> </DIV>
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<DIV>I would say that this ruling reduces my opinion of our legal system and the lawyers and politicians that run it, but sadly it doesn't because it is something that I would except a legal system that is joke as are the self important lawyers in it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/22/10, John Pool <I><<A href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jpool@moscow.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank>jpool@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Did the Supreme Court decision on the ban suggest how the expense of supporting or opposing a candidate shall be treated for tax purposes? It’s one thing to allow corporations (and presumably unions) to spend money directly for this purpose, but the money has to come from somewhere. Is it to be a legitimate expense, deducted from taxes, or taken from profit after taxes, or what? What will, and will not, the IRS allow? And what of shareholders? If XYZ Corp supports Sarah <SPAN><SPAN>Palin</SPAN></SPAN> for Congress from Alaska, and a sizeable number (or even a handful) of the shareholders are opposed to her, is this a legitimate basis for a stockholder suit? I suspect this decision by the Supreme Court, while seemingly favorable to big business, is not as cut and dried as it first appears. </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>And if corporations have the same rights as individuals to spend money directly, do corporations have the same limits imposed on their expenditures as are exerted on individuals? What of non-profit corporations such as churches? Can they now openly support or oppose an individual or group at election time? This seems like a subject made for the Viz—opinions will fly fast and furious and facts will be slow to develop. Oh boy! Watch the mud being slung!
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