<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Mormons, and other Christians aren't Deists, Ralph. </DIV>
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<DIV>You also need to better research your History if you think the rights in the US Constitution were not mostly derived from other sources, such as the <FONT face=Courier>Magna Carta Libertatum</FONT> of 1215, 1297, (There are several versions), British Common Law, The and other documents. The Rights of British subjects included even more rights than the <FONT face=Courier>Magna Carta Libertatum </FONT>, as the <FONT face=Courier>Magna Carta Libertatum </FONT>of 1297 which is still law in some parts of England and its territories. </DIV>
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<DIV>Your Friend,</DIV>
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<DIV>Donovan Arnold<BR><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 1/10/10, Ralph Nielsen <I><nielsen@uidaho.edu></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu><BR>Subject: [Vision2020] Which God?<BR>To: "vision 2020" <Vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 11:24 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3 face=Courier><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" class=Apple-style-span>DEISM The belief in a God who created the universe and then abandoned it, assuming no control over life, exerting no influence on natural phenomena, and giving no supernatural revelation. The American Heritage Dictionary.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3 face=Courier><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" class=Apple-style-span>The God of deism is definitely not the Abrahamic God.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3 face=Courier><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" class=Apple-style-span>The only right in the US Constitution that can be traced to the Magna Carta of 1215 is the right to a fair trial. The only other articles still in force pertain to the Church of England and the City of London.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3 face=Courier><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px" class=Apple-style-span>I visited the isle of Runnymede, in the middle of the Thames River, in the summer of 2005. I was most surprised that the monument there was erected by the American Bar Association, in 1957.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>All those religions worship the same, The God of Abraham. They just worship in a different manner, and have different beliefs and ideology about God. Humans are all different, so their take on life and their relationship to Him are going to be different as well, obviously.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>I don't think anyone said that God created the Universe and left it alone. Most religions do believe in some kind of divine intervention and the ability to inspire people to do his bidding. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>Many rights listed in the Constitution were derived from the the Rights of Royal Subjects as outlined originally in the <SPAN>Magna</SPAN> Carta Libertatum for Barons and freemen written in 1215 in England, not the United States. It has seen been altered several times. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>Your Friend,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>Donovan Arnold</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>From: Ralph Nielsen <<A href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT style="COLOR: #000af1" color=#000af1><U><SPAN>nielsen</SPAN> at uidaho.edu</U></FONT></A>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>Subject: [Vision2020] Which God?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>To: "vision 2020" <<A href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020" rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT style="COLOR: #000af1" color=#000af1><U>Vision2020 at moscow.com</U></FONT></A>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:08 PM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Courier">Doesn't Rammell believe in the Mormon God? So now we have four different Gods: Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon, all in the so-called Abrahamic tradition. And then there is the God of some of the Founding Fathers, the deistic God, who created the universe, wound it up, and left it to run by itself, just like a giant clock. So he was NOT involved in writing the Constitution, it was written by human beings, the Founding Fathers.</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px"><FONT style="FONT: 13px Courier" size=4 face=Courier>The meeting of prominent businessmen that serves as the context for Rammell's comments featured suggestions that the U.S. Constitution is somehow "divinely inspired," which is what Christians and Jews and Muslims say of their Scriptures. Presumably Rammell identifies with Christianity; if so, he ought to be ashamed at the thought that God can be co-opted to author a nation's founding documents.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0px; MIN-HEIGHT: 16px; FONT: 13px Courier">I will be ranting about this later on the blog, but I think the point needs to be made now.</DIV>
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