Darn right they did! I stopped reading after "the first decade of the new millennium came to a close at midnight Friday." and figured everything else they had to say was wrong as well.<br><br>I mean if staff reporters can't count, how can you POSSIBLY expect them to get a news story of any significance correct?<br>
<br>GS<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Donovan Arnold <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com">donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>I don't know anything about those things which you listed, as I don't have the time nor interest in researching them. Nor do I find your opinions and statements about NSA and its members to be anymore fair and balanced than Fox News reporting. </div>
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<div>However, I do know that members of the community do dislike members of NSA, and that members of NSA have been harassed, ridiculed, and their property vandalized.</div>
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<div>You may feel these feelings and actions are justified or not. But, the facts are the facts and reported by the Daily News as they seem them. If you think their information is incorrect you should perhaps write a letter to the editor pointing out where they are in error and provide supporting evidence. </div>
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<div>Donovan Arnold<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/6/10, Saundra Lund <i><<a href="mailto:v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm" target="_blank">v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
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<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong<br></div>To: "'Donovan Arnold'" <<a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com</a>>, "'Vision 2020'" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>, "'Nathan Alford Daily News'" <<a href="mailto:alford@dnews.com" target="_blank">alford@dnews.com</a>>, "'Art Deco'" <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">I’m sure the neighbors whose properties were driven over and who couldn’t park on their own streets felt harassed when NSA illegally located itself in a residential neighborhood.. I’m sure those neighbors felt harassed when the City dragged its heels enforcing its zoning code. Too bad the Snooze didn’t bother to include the “facts” from all sides.</span>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Too bad, too, the Snooze completely missed the story about the sweetheart deals the Kirk got for renting the Kibbie Dome while other groups, including the LDS and the MSD and St. Mary’s School to name a few, footed the bill for the sweetheart deals the Kirk received.</span>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">It’s frankly shameful that the Snooze’s recap was so clearly biased in favor of presenting the Kirk & its assorted income generating arms in an undeserved positive light while completely ignoring the many, many instances where community members have been harassed and financially abused by the Kirk.</span>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">Revisionism history – something the Kirk excels at -- and biased reporting have no place in respectable & reputable journalism. Again, this kind of crap “reporting” is undoubtedly part of the reason circulation has suffered.</span>
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</p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****</span></b>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Donovan Arnold<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 05, 2010 9:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Vision 2020; Nathan Alford Daily News; Art Deco<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong</span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Donovan Arnold<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/6/10, Art Deco <i><<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote:</p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><br>From: Art Deco <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong<br>To: "Vision 2020" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>, "Nathan Alford Daily News" <<a href="mailto:alford@dnews.com" target="_blank">alford@dnews.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have not found that to be so. In my opinion, the negative feelings toward Wilson have been voiced less vociferously, but are more wide spread. Acquaintances who used to twit me about what I express about Wilson and his agenda, lies, hypocrisy, arrogance, flimflamery, control, etc are now agreeing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition, Wilson's playing the fool for Christopher Hitchens seems to have lessened his credibility not only here but among some of importance in the reformed community. </p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The <i>DN</i> refers to him as a conservative theologian. What a joke! He is abysmally ignorant not only of older biblical scholarship, but modern biblical scholarship as well. He is in reality an untrained, unordained, lay, but very pushy, very phony preacher making things up from a few pieces of straw. He is not a theologian, but a crackpot.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And as long as the <i>DN</i> keeps printing the rosy filler articles provided by Bobby Horrendous of NSA, we all know who is partially controlling the paper.</p></div>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal">Because I've canceled my subscription to the Daily News, and not for the first time, I didn't read the article Joe refers to. <br><br>One of the reasons I don't subscribe to the DN is because its coverage on many issues involving our town has been lacking, biased, and poorly written -- all symptomatic of a disregard for simple, classic journalism. I know a bit about print journalism and reporting, and I can say with some measure of expertise and experience that its coverage of Wilson, etc., has been particularly egregious on all three points.<br>
<br>But if the paper suggested that "community members" who oppose Wilson's work and words vandalized ("took to" vandalizing) Christ Church-owned businesses and property, without a shred of evidence demonstrating, unequivocally and with full attribution, three things, it's become more of an affront to print journalism than usual. Those three things
are simple, Journalism 101-type stuff: Did vandalism actually happen? Did the vandal have any agenda whatsoever? And was that person linked to others, like myself, who have publicly spoken out against Wilson? <br><br>
Answer those questions, with evidence and attribution, and you might be on to something. But for the DN to toss that out without the building blocks of true journalism -- accuracy, evidence, attribution, etc. -- is just so much heaving rocks through the windows, so to speak, of its readership. I don't expect all readers to notice the fault, but I do expect those who commit it to acknowledge that they're in the wrong field.<br>
<br><span style="color: rgb(128, 100, 162);">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></span><br><br><br><br>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:00:38 -0800<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>> Subject: [Vision2020] Daily
News Got It Wrong<br>> <br>> Courtesy of today's (January 5, 2010) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with<br>> thanks to Joe Campbell.<br>> <br>> --------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>
> Daily News got it wrong<br>> <br>> The paper's account of Moscow's recent history (Jan. 2 & 3) was less than<br>> fully accurate.<br>> <br>> For instance, in discussing Doug Wilson's "Southern Slavery: As it Was,"<br>
> the paper claims "community members took to vandalizing businesses owned<br>> by people associated with Christ Church and Wilson" due to controversy<br>> over the book.<br>> <br>> There is not one instance where it was discovered that a community member<br>
> vandalized "businesses owned by people associated with Christ Church." The<br>> only confirmed case of "vandalism" was an offensive comment written in<br>> chalk on public property in Friendship Square. And no one knows
who did<br>> that. The Daily News account is irresponsible in the same way that it<br>> would be irresponsible for the Daily News to speculate that members of<br>> Christ Church vandalized the atheist billboard on U..S. Highway 95.<br>
> <br>> Also, the controversy about Wilson's book was not merely ideological. Some<br>> of the controversy was because the book was plagiarized.<br>> <br>> Lastly, the paper writes that NSA "had been on South Main Street since<br>
> 2002, but changes to city law required the school - and other educational<br>> institutions - to obtain a conditional use permit to operate in the<br>> downtown business district."<br>> <br>> But if you look at the law in question, the change was made "to allow<br>
> schools, commercial schools and/or educational institutions by conditional<br>> use permit in certain commercial and special zoning districts."<br>> <br>> NSA began in a residential
neighborhood, in violation of the city zoning<br>> code. It was duly and clearly informed of its violation. It moved<br>> downtown, first to one location near Main Street and then to its current<br>> location. Each time its new location violated city code and each time NSA<br>
> was duly informed. The change in law allowed NSA to remain downtown,<br>> contrary to the city code. It was not a burden but a gift from the city to<br>> NSA.<br>> <br>> Joseph Keim Campbell<br>> Moscow<br>
> <br>> --------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Thanks, Joe.<br>> <br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> “I’ll just speak for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a<br>
> member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the<br>> community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his<br>>
reputation, yes, he’d be disciplined.”<br>> <br>> - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)<br>> <a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3</a><br>
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