No, not vandalism. I don't generally credit vandals with the mental capacity to develop (as you so nicely put it) "an organized campaign, if not a single-minded one." <div><br></div><div>I do think the development and promulgation of an anti-kirk business list VERY nicely fits your excellent phrase. <div>
<br></div><div>Perhaps said list could be called economic vandalism.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:17 PM, keely emerinemix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Darrell, it's true that some community members "took to" not patronizing Kirk-owned business. I don't think you would call that "vandalism," would you?<div class="im"><br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br>
<a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br><hr></div>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:12:01 -0800<div class="im"><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong<br>
</div>From: <a href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com" target="_blank">keim153@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" target="_blank">kjajmix1@msn.com</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:alford@dnews.com" target="_blank">alford@dnews.com</a>; <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a><div>
<div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>Perhaps something along the lines of the "informal" list of Kirk associated businesses that written and disseminated by some Moscow Food Coop employees?<div>Bad behavior happened on both philosophical sides of this town issue.<br>
<br><div>On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:03 PM, keely emerinemix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" target="_blank">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
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While that's an insightful story, the insight is not shed here.<br><br>To suggest that in response to (anything), community members who disagree with Wilson "took to" vandalism suggests not just a direct link, but an organized campaign, if not a single-minded one.<br>
<br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
<br><br><hr>Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:36:18 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com" target="_blank">donovanjarnold2008@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>; <a href="mailto:alford@dnews.com" target="_blank">alford@dnews.com</a>; <a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
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<div>Since it would be a stretch to say that the people that vandalized NSA members properties were their friends, nor is it likely to say that people driving through are committing the violations of property rights, it would seem reasonable to come to the conclusion they were in fact community members.</div>
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<div>There was a sick joke from the deep south in the 1960s. A federal agent investigating a murder found a black man's body in the swamp riddled with shot gun blasts from head to toe. When the agent asked the local sheriff how the man ended up that way, the Sheriff replied, "It was the worst case of suicide I have ever seen." </div>
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<div>This denial that community members do not harass other community members, reminds me of this story. </div>
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<div>The DN isn't playing the politics of the community, it is just reporting the facts as it believes them to be. </div>
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<div>Your Friend,</div>
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<div>Donovan Arnold<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 1/6/10, Art Deco <i><<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="padding-left:5px;margin-left:5px"><br>From: Art Deco <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com" target="_blank">deco@moscow.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It Wrong<br>
To: "Vision 2020" <<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>, "Nathan Alford Daily News" <<a href="mailto:alford@dnews.com" target="_blank">alford@dnews.com</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:06 AM<br><br>
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<div>The article also stated that the community was less hostile to Douglas Wilson and his church (read cult) in recent years. </div>
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<div>I have not found that to be so. In my opinion, the negative feelings toward Wilson have been voiced less vociferously, but are more wide spread. Acquaintances who used to twit me about what I express about Wilson and his agenda, lies, hypocrisy, arrogance, flimflamery, control, etc are now agreeing.</div>
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<div>In addition, Wilson's playing the fool for Christopher <span><span>Hitchens</span></span> seems to have lessened his credibility not only here but among some of importance in the reformed community. </div>
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<div>The <em>DN</em> refers to him as a conservative theologian. What a joke! He is abysmally ignorant not only of older biblical scholarship, but modern biblical scholarship as well. He is in reality an untrained, <span>unordained</span>, lay, but very pushy, very phony preacher making things up from a few pieces of straw. He is not a theologian, but a crackpot.</div>
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<div>And as long as the <em><span>DN</span></em> keeps printing the rosy filler articles provided by Bobby Horrendous of NSA, we all know who is partially controlling the paper.</div>
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<div style="background:rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 0%;font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal"><b>From:</b> <a title="kjajmix1@msn.com" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kjajmix1@msn.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span>keely</span> emerinemix</a> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal"><b>To:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thansen@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Tom Hansen</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="http://us.mc447.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vision2020@moscow.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-family:arial;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:11 PM</div>
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<div><br></div>Because I've canceled my subscription to the Daily News, and not for the first time, I didn't read the article Joe refers to. <br><br>One of the reasons I don't subscribe to the DN is because its coverage on many issues involving our town has been lacking, biased, and poorly written -- all symptomatic of a disregard for simple, classic journalism. I know a bit about print journalism and reporting, and I can say with some measure of expertise and experience that its coverage of Wilson, etc., has been particularly egregious on all three points.<br>
<br>But if the paper suggested that "community members" who oppose Wilson's work and words vandalized ("took to" vandalizing) Christ Church-owned businesses and property, without a shred of evidence demonstrating, unequivocally and with full attribution, three things, it's become more of an affront to print journalism than usual. Those three things are simple, Journalism 101-type
stuff: Did vandalism actually happen? Did the vandal have any agenda whatsoever? And was that person linked to others, like myself, who have publicly spoken out against Wilson? <br><br>Answer those questions, with evidence and attribution, and you might be on to something. But for the DN to toss that out without the building blocks of true journalism -- accuracy, evidence, attribution, etc. -- is just so much heaving rocks through the windows, so to speak, of its readership. I don't expect all readers to notice the fault, but I do expect those who commit it to acknowledge that they're in the wrong field.<br>
<br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size:12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com" target="_blank">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br>
<br><br>> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:00:38 -0800<br>> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target="_blank">thansen@moscow.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Daily News Got It
Wrong<br>> <br>> Courtesy of today's (January 5, 2010) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with<br>> thanks to Joe Campbell.<br>> <br>> --------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Daily News got it wrong<br>
> <br>> The paper's account of Moscow's recent history (Jan. 2 & 3) was less than<br>> fully accurate.<br>> <br>> For instance, in discussing Doug Wilson's "Southern Slavery: As it Was,"<br>
> the paper claims "community members took to vandalizing businesses owned<br>> by people associated with Christ Church and Wilson" due to controversy<br>> over the book.<br>> <br>> There is not one instance where it was discovered that a community member<br>
> vandalized "businesses owned by people associated with Christ Church." The<br>> only confirmed case of "vandalism" was an offensive comment written in<br>> chalk on public property in Friendship Square. And no one knows who
did<br>> that. The Daily News account is irresponsible in the same way that it<br>> would be irresponsible for the Daily News to speculate that members of<br>> Christ Church vandalized the atheist billboard on U.S. Highway 95.<br>
> <br>> Also, the controversy about Wilson's book was not merely ideological. Some<br>> of the controversy was because the book was plagiarized.<br>> <br>> Lastly, the paper writes that NSA "had been on South Main Street since<br>
> 2002, but changes to city law required the school - and other educational<br>> institutions - to obtain a conditional use permit to operate in the<br>> downtown business district."<br>> <br>> But if you look at the law in question, the change was made "to allow<br>
> schools, commercial schools and/or educational institutions by conditional<br>> use permit in certain commercial and special zoning districts."<br>> <br>> NSA began in a residential
neighborhood, in violation of the city zoning<br>> code. It was duly and clearly informed of its violation. It moved<br>> downtown, first to one location near Main Street and then to its current<br>> location. Each time its new location violated city code and each time NSA<br>
> was duly informed. The change in law allowed NSA to remain downtown,<br>> contrary to the city code. It was not a burden but a gift from the city to<br>> NSA.<br>> <br>> Joseph Keim Campbell<br>> Moscow<br>
> <br>> --------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Thanks, Joe.<br>> <br>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> “I’ll just speak for our church, in Christ Church. If I found out that a<br>
> member of our church or a church officer was lying to non-believers in the<br>> community, as a way to get by or protect themself or protect his<br>>
reputation, yes, he’d be disciplined.”<br>> <br>> - Doug Wilson (January 31, 2007)<br>> <a href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3" target="_blank">http://www.tomandrodna.com/protest/Doug_Wilson_Liers_013107.mp3</a><br>
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