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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes, and the movie Refer Madness was part of that
propaganda.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It's ironic that our countries most treasured documents
are written on hemp paper grown by our founding fathers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I also think that Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his
grave. He got rid of the robber barrons that has now been replaced by the
robber lobbyists!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Andy Boyd<BR>Manager/Education Coordinator<BR>Moscow Recycling<BR>208 882
0590</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=donaledwards@hotmail.com
href="mailto:donaledwards@hotmail.com">donald edwards</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:26
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Liberal
Agenda</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Aha, no difference in print quality but huge difference in
other qualities. I recently learned that hemp is 70% cellulose
compared to wood at only 30%. This explains why paper from wood must be
chemically teated with poisons (toulene, bleach, etc.) and is still
weaker and shorter lived paper than hemp. DOW chemicals had a say in
lobbying for propagandizing hemp, alongside William Randolf Hurst who owned
20mil. acres of trees and the world's largest
newspaper.<BR><BR>Don<BR> <BR>> Message: 3<BR>> Date: Thu, 3 Dec
2009 11:18:32 -0800 (PST)<BR>> From: "Tom Hansen"
<thansen@moscow.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal
Agenda?<BR>> To: "lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> Cc:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID:
<f5873f1184aa6479a097c865c696eb0b.squirrel@secure.fsr.com><BR>>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<BR>> <BR>> For special
flyers or posters (i.e. announcement of "The First Annual<BR>> Intolerista
Wingding" earlier this year) I use hemp paper purchased from<BR>>
Canada.<BR>> <BR>> Believe it or not, there is a discernible difference
in print quality<BR>> between Canadian hemp paper and American bond
paper.<BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen<BR>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>> <BR>> >
Andy<BR>> > You make some good points. I don't like most subsidies
either and I favor<BR>> > making Industrial Hemp legal.<BR>> >
Roger<BR>> > -----Original message-----<BR>> > From: "Andy Boyd"
moscowrecycling@turbonet.com<BR>> > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:18:38
-0800<BR>> > To: "lfalen" lfalen@turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas"
NGIER@uidaho.edu,<BR>> > "Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1@verizon.net,
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal
Agenda?<BR>> ><BR>> >> Roger,<BR>> >> It may seem
ridiculous but everyone says 'free market' and it's a fraud.<BR>> >>
The reason one would aspire to a free market is because it would<BR>>
>> regulate<BR>> >> itself regarding supply and demand. Take
the paper industry,<BR>> >> economically,<BR>> >> paper is
cheaper to make from hemp but we place regulations (industrial<BR>>
>> hemp<BR>> >> is illegal) and supply subsidies to these
corporations to keep the price<BR>> >> of<BR>> >> paper from
wood cheaper than hemp that is produced legally in other<BR>> >>
countries. This is one example of thousands. Certainly anyone is<BR>>
>> allowed<BR>> >> to engage in a business of ones choosing but
depending on the business<BR>> >> the<BR>> >> cards are not
close to fair or free. The farmer that gets fined by<BR>> >>
Monsanto<BR>> >> when a genetically modified plant shows up in their
field even though<BR>> >> they<BR>> >> don't use Monsanto
GMO products is another case and point. The market<BR>> >>
and<BR>> >> regulators don't treat them fairly. A free market could
actually help<BR>> >> some<BR>> >> of our environmental
'situations'. If we in the United States had to pay<BR>> >> a<BR>>
>> true market value for food, wood or petroleum products for example,
many<BR>> >> of<BR>> >> the alternative products out 'there'
would end up being the same price<BR>> >> or<BR>> >>
cheaper, altering our purchasing habits. Ahh, so much to criticize.<BR>>
>> And yes, truth in advertising would be great but even if you try
to<BR>> >> prosecute these inaccuracies, the cards are stacked
against the average<BR>> >> citizen.<BR>> >> that's enought
for me today.<BR>> >> Andy Boyd<BR>> >> Manager/Education
Coordinator<BR>> >> Moscow Recycling<BR>> >> 208 882
0590<BR>> >> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >> From:
"lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> >> To: "Andy Boyd"
<moscowrecycling@turbonet.com>; "Gier, Nicholas"<BR>> >>
<NGIER@uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy" <kmmos1@verizon.net>;<BR>>
>> <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> >> Sent: Wednesday,
December 02, 2009 12:27 PM<BR>> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal
Agenda?<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> > Andy<BR>>
>> > You are being a little ridiculous. You should know what I ment.
It is<BR>> >> the<BR>> >> > right t engage in a business
of your choosing, To make a profit and to<BR>> >> go<BR>> >>
> broke. The government does not need to make a profit and is
therefore<BR>> >> > inefficient. Some regulation is needed, a
totally open market with no<BR>> >> > holds bared would not
protect the citizenry from fraud or other<BR>> >> abuses.<BR>>
>> > On the whole though there are to many regulations. In some cases
ther<BR>> >> > should be more. There should be more regulation on
truth in<BR>> >> advertising in<BR>> >> > the health food
supplement industry. Some Herbal supplements are very<BR>> >> >
helpful, some are worthless and some are down right dangerous.<BR>>
>> > Roger<BR>> >> > -----Original message-----<BR>>
>> > From: "Andy Boyd" moscowrecycling@turbonet.com<BR>> >>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:08:07 -0800<BR>> >> > To: "lfalen"
lfalen@turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas" NGIER@uidaho.edu,<BR>> >> >
"Kenneth Marcy" kmmos1@verizon.net, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?<BR>> >> ><BR>>
>> >> I have yet to see this 'free market" to which you refer.
Might you<BR>> >> give<BR>> >> >> an<BR>> >>
>> example where markets are free?<BR>> >> >> Andy
Boyd<BR>> >> >> Manager/Education Coordinator<BR>> >>
>> Moscow Recycling<BR>> >> >> 208 882 0590<BR>>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >> >> From:
"lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> >> >> To: "Andy Boyd"
<moscowrecycling@turbonet.com>; "Gier, Nicholas"<BR>> >>
>> <NGIER@uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy"
<kmmos1@verizon.net>;<BR>> >> >>
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>> >> >> Sent: Monday, November
30, 2009 12:00 PM<BR>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal
Agenda?<BR>> >> >><BR>> >> >><BR>> >>
>> > No. Capitalism as embodied in the free market system allows one
to<BR>> >> >> > freely<BR>> >> >> > engage
in any legal business they see fit. The role of government<BR>> >>
>> > should<BR>> >> >> > be see that businesses do
not deceive the public or engage in<BR>> >> unfair<BR>> >>
>> > business practices.<BR>> >> >> > Roger<BR>>
>> >> > -----Original message-----<BR>> >> >>
> From: "Andy Boyd" moscowrecycling@turbonet.com<BR>> >> >>
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:37:26 -0800<BR>> >> >> > To:
"lfalen" lfalen@turbonet.com, "Gier, Nicholas"<BR>> >>
NGIER@uidaho.edu,<BR>> >> >> > "Kenneth Marcy"
kmmos1@verizon.net, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> >> >
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?<BR>> >> >>
><BR>> >> >> >> Couldn't you argue that capitalism is
a form of behavior control,<BR>> >> >> >> turning<BR>>
>> >> >> us<BR>> >> >> >> all into good
little consumers, all occuring in the last 50 years?<BR>> >> >>
>> Andy Boyd<BR>> >> >> >> Manager/Education
Coordinator<BR>> >> >> >> Moscow Recycling<BR>>
>> >> >> 208 882 0590<BR>> >> >> >>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> >> >> >> From: "lfalen"
<lfalen@turbonet.com><BR>> >> >> >> To: "Gier,
Nicholas" <NGIER@uidaho.edu>; "Kenneth Marcy"<BR>> >> >>
>> <kmmos1@verizon.net>; <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>
>> >> >> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:49 AM<BR>>
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?<BR>>
>> >> >><BR>> >> >> >><BR>> >>
>> >> > Nick<BR>> >> >> >> > I think
that your definition is correct and would be in line<BR>> >>
with<BR>> >> >> >> > that<BR>> >> >>
>> > of<BR>> >> >> >> > John Stuart Mill. To
be liberal should mean that one allows for<BR>> >> the<BR>>
>> >> >> > behavior of others to be different from their
own, even though<BR>> >> they<BR>> >> >> >> >
may<BR>> >> >> >> > not like it. This is why I use the
term leftist to identify<BR>> >> those<BR>> >> >>
>> > who<BR>> >> >> >> > want<BR>>
>> >> >> > the state to control of our behavior. They are
anything but<BR>> >> >> >> > liberal,<BR>> >>
>> >> > Some<BR>> >> >> >> > of those
on the far right want to do the same.<BR>> >> >> >> >
Roger<BR>> >> >> >> > -----Original
message-----<BR>> >> >> >> > From: "Gier, Nicholas"
NGIER@uidaho.edu<BR>> >> >> >> > Date: Wed, 25 Nov
2009 13:10:48 -0800<BR>> >> >> >> > To: "Kenneth
Marcy" kmmos1@verizon.net, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> >>
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?<BR>> >>
>> >> ><BR>> >> >> >> >> Greetings
Visionaries:<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>> >>
>> >> >> I'm on a futile crusade to bring everyone back to
the original<BR>> >> >> >> >> meaning<BR>>
>> >> >> >> of<BR>> >> >> >>
>> the word "liberal," from the Latin word "liberalis," meaning<BR>>
>> >> >> >> "pertaining<BR>> >> >>
>> >> to a free person," the "liberi" as opposed to the "servi,"
the<BR>> >> >> >> >> "serfs"<BR>> >>
>> >> >> who were not free.<BR>> >> >>
>> >><BR>> >> >> >> >> The genius of
the American and French Revolutions was the<BR>> >> >> >>
>> declaration<BR>> >> >> >> >> that we are
all free with inalienable rights to life, liberty,<BR>> >>
and<BR>> >> >> >> >> the<BR>> >> >>
>> >> pursuit of happiness. The "servi" no longer exist.<BR>>
>> >> >> >><BR>> >> >> >>
>> For more read my column "We Are All Liberals--Well, Almost<BR>>
>> All."<BR>> >> >> >> >>
(www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/liberalism.htm) The exceptions are<BR>>
>> >> >> >> people<BR>> >> >> >>
>> such as Doug Wilson and his sordid gang of
Paleo-Conservatives.<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>>
>> >> >> >> May you all have a very Liberal
Thanksgiving,<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>> >>
>> >> >> Nick Gier<BR>> >> >> >>
>><BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>> >> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----<BR>> >> >>
>> >> From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com on behalf of Kenneth
Marcy<BR>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Wed 11/25/2009 9:27
AM<BR>> >> >> >> >> To:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Liberal Agenda?<BR>> >> >> >>
>><BR>> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday 24 November
2009 18:43:03 John Pool wrote:<BR>> >> >> >> >>
> I'm confused. Just what *is* a liberal agenda? Is it<BR>> >>
something<BR>> >> >> >> >> > that<BR>>
>> >> >> >> > all liberals have to agree on, or
just some? Does it have to<BR>> >> be a<BR>> >> >>
>> >> > majority, or can it be less than that? What happens if
a<BR>> >> moderate<BR>> >> >> >> >> >
or centrist seeks the same end? Does that make her/him a<BR>> >>
liberal<BR>> >> >> >> >> > automatically? I'd
like some clarification here.<BR>> >> >> >>
>><BR>> >> >> >> >> When the phrase "liberal
agenda" is used, usually it is a<BR>> >> >> >> >>
pejorative<BR>> >> >> >> >> reference by someone
talking against whatever is perceived to<BR>> >> be<BR>> >>
>> >> >> undesirable about the matters to which they refer.
The phrase<BR>> >> has<BR>> >> >> >> >>
developed into a shorthand ad hominem argument against whatever<BR>>
>> >> >> >> policy the (conservative) speaker
opposes.<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>> >> >>
>> >> Liberal is a relative term that needs a reference points
in<BR>> >> time<BR>> >> >> >> >>
and<BR>> >> >> >> >> place, culture and subject,
and policy status quo vis-??-vis<BR>> >> someone<BR>> >>
>> >> >> observing. To use it without such referents may be
diversionary<BR>> >> and<BR>> >> >> >> >>
counterproductive toward effective discussion, which may be the<BR>>
>> >> >> >> desired effect.<BR>> >> >>
>> >><BR>> >> >> >> >> I suspect actual
liberals just dispense with using the term in<BR>> >> >>
>> >> favor<BR>> >> >> >> >> of
something more specific, such as legislative agenda or party<BR>> >>
>> >> >> platform. On the other hand, in the case of
Thanksgiving, a<BR>> >> >> >> >> well-set<BR>>
>> >> >> >> table and congenial guests make the agenda
and the event the<BR>> >> same.<BR>> >> >> >>
>> Happy Holiday.<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>>
>> >> >> >><BR>> >> >> >>
>> Ken<BR>> >> >> >> >><BR>> >>
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