<div>I was just clarifying that I saw the event (coat hanger outdoor billboard protest with nude woman) as it was staged in motion, captured on film/video, not from still photos. And again notifying the list that for those who have DirectTV or Dish satellite, the Ron English documentary with this content will air tonight Saturday at 11 PM on LinkTV:</div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.linktv.org/programs/popaganda" target="_blank">http://www.linktv.org/programs/popaganda</a></div>
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<div>Some of the shocking content of English's work, of course, will lead some to reject it completely, before giving it more thought. So perhaps I scared some away in mentioning some of the controversial content, without a more full exploration of English's work. </div>
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<div>However, for some people, the controversial content will prompt them to consider his work. It will increase interest. This is basic Madison Avenue advertising psychology, which English employs to get his messages across, using the tactics of corporate advertising in opposition, though some might claim he is using shock to spread his name and work, for profit. Following your suggestion, he might not employ the shocking tactics in the first place, to avoid scaring people away from his causes and art...</div>
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<div>Anyone looking at his attacks on "Madison Avenue" advertising campaigns (Joe Camel, Ronald McDonald) with a modicum of intelligence will not require that I explain the point behind these "outlaw" billboards.</div>
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<div>As for the Marilyn Monroe "Mickey Mouse" breast work, which is not in the least pornographic or prurient, I was instantly when I first saw this art work reminded of Truman Capote's story about Monroe, "A Beautiful Child," which I recommend highly, though I'm not sure if this Capote story can be linked to English's art.</div>
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<div><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://abeautifulchildbytrumancapote.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://abeautifulchildbytrumancapote.blogspot.com/</a></div>
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<div>From website above:</div>
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<div>A BEAUTIFUL CHILD is based on a nonfiction piece by the same name from Capote’s collection "Music for Chameleons." In 1955, Capote and Marilyn Monroe attended the funeral of Constance Collier, Marilyn's acting coach. Afterward, the two friends spent the day together touring the streets of Manhattan, from midtown to the South Street Seaport. Capote tells of their exploits on that afternoon, presenting a wry, insightful, and very human portrait of the actress who at this point in her career had become in his words "a platinum sex explosion."<br>
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<div>I suppose it's rather obvious that men (or women) are attracted to women's breasts in part because of the nurturing and nutrition they received as children from their mothers, and that Mickey Mouse symbolizes childhood? So this work of art, in this very surface and simple analysis, explores that adults' sexual psychology (Monroe as an archetypal American sex symbol) manifests experiences from childhood, in some respects. A psychological fact adults may not be consciously aware of, and may find "uncomfortable"...</div>
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<div>Anyway, much could be said about this subject... This is just quick and brief speculation, off the top of my head...</div>
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<div>Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:18 PM, donald edwards <span dir="ltr"><<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:donaledwards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">donaledwards@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi again, I think you might have misunderstood my post. This line would indicate that I am aware that you saw the abortion billboard:<br> <br>"I found it amazing that when the woman flung the fake blood on the blackmarket abortion billboard you referenced it actually resembled the shape of a bleeding heart."<br>
<br>It's obvious that YOU are familiar with his work but if WE are working together at compelling others to check him out, those who may be of a more conservative persuasion, I felt it may be more important to share more about his message and symbolism rather than the graphic nature of some of his work.<br>
<br>Sometimes in sales, it's best to leave folks wanting more information in an attempt to move them to go looking further rather than scaring them away right out the gate. I attempted to offer more into his meaning rather than make folks think he just does bloody pro abortion and juvenile cartoon mouse boobies. Sharing these visuals may have the opposite effect than you (and I originally) were after.<br>
<br>What do you suppose he is trying to convey by painting all those Mouse Boobs?<br> <br>I think we both know that his abortion billboard sends the message that countries that do not allow abortion kill more babies and their mothers than in places where we are allowed the choice. You left this out of your post so I attempted to fill in some blanks. That's all. No biggie.<br>
<br>Thanks Keely, I'll look into the artist you mentioned!<br> <br>Don<br><br><br><br><br><br> <br>> From: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:vision2020-request@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020-request@moscow.com</a><br>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> <br>> I did see the event with the billboard of the clothes hanger and the women<br>> and "blood" on LinkTV recently when they ran the Ron English documentary<br>
> that LinkTV is running again this next Saturday, as my previous post on this<br>> subject indicated.<br>> <br>> Ted Moffett<br>> <br>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, donald edwards <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:donaledwards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">donaledwards@hotmail.com</a>>wrote:<br>
> <br>> > Yes, great movie. I believe I might have advertised it on list before. If<br>> > folks here check the link I posted they may feel compelled to surf around<br>> > his site at other billboards and his actual paintings, which are all<br>
> > extremely thought provoking in addition to their colorful detail.<br>> ><br>> > He makes a good argument for how religion has not only been commercialized<br>> > but also replaced by corporate commercial icons in modern culture. ie:<br>
> > Mickey Mouse, KISS, Joe Camel & even cereal or fast food cartoons at the<br>> > Last Supper. He depicts colorful and graphic art in much the same way that<br>> > marketers for corporations are able to hijack free speech and spoon feed us<br>
> > all with their child targetted advertising.<br>> ><br>> > Unfortunately Ted, Some won't look this deep into his message and simply<br>> > turn a blind eye and dismiss him. I purposely didn't go into much detail<br>
> > about the specifics of his work so that these people might actually end up<br>> > at his site prior to passing premature judgement about his use of nudity or<br>> > depictions of religion & violence. I found it amazing that when the woman<br>
> > flung the fake blood on the blackmarket abortion billboard you referenced it<br>> > actually resembled the shape of a bleeding heart. This would have<br>> > been impossible to fake or stage. See it in real time on the movie<br>
> > "Popaganda" you mentioned<br>> ><br>> > Don<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > </div></blockquote></div>