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<DIV>Darrell, Keely, Joe, et al,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm sure we are all tired of this. The election is over. Weber
has chosen not to ask for a recount although such a request would not be
unreasonable given what we all know about the accuracy of vote tallying.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But I do not like my words misconstrued as Matt did, and has Darrell
perhaps unintentionally done just below.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here is what I said about bartending and it's relevance:</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"Continuing to claim being a project manager
is more impressive than admitting the truth about being a bartender at one of
Moscow's less upscale bars. There is nothing wrong with being a bartender;
however such an occupation is not a very good recommendation for being mayor for
a city the size of Moscow. There is something very wrong about Weber lying
to Moscow citizens about continuing to be a project manager to falsely
pump up his political resume. He lied about the Hawkins matter. How
many other official lies has he told?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"If the best Weber can do at his age is be a bartender
at The Corner Club, is that what Moscow needs as a mayor?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Nowhere did I even imply all bartenders have drinking problems or they
are not honorable citizens.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's where I disagree with Joe and Keely: the relevance of drinking
problems to job performance. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My experience in the workplace as an employee and as a consultant has
caused me to believe that it is highly probable that a drinking problem will
affect performance in almost any job requiring careful attention, energy,
alertness, ability to understand complex matters, a lengthy attention span,
coming to work focused and ready, careful decision making, etc. Hence
consideration of drinking problems (or any substance abuse) is relevant
and ought to be explored when making any hire, which is what an election is
about. I can recall one instance in my career where failure of a company
to follow through on pre-employment hints of an alcohol problem cost the company
more than a million dollars and caused a lot of misery for many people.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Immoderate alcohol and drug usage are great tragedies to those
with such habits, and to those around them. I continually wish that
those so afflicted would takes the necessary steps to break those habits.
I will add that a few years previously, I publically, and not nicely, brought
similar attention to a somewhat similar problem of a political candidate.
The person involved afterwards did seek therapy, which I have reason to believe
was very successful.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's the irony of this whole thread: I would probably not even
started it had Weber changed his official city biography back in April when its
inaccuracy was brought to his attention, and when one quite vehement anti-Chaney
person expressed to me some very strong misgivings about Weber (whom she had
known for a long time) and his drinking habits.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR>208 882-7975</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=keim153@gmail.com href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">Darrell Keim</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009 2:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Just
Curious</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne:
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Several points I'd like to clarify below:<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Art Deco <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Keely,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I didn't say Weber was an alki, in fact, Matt Decker said it to me
in an off-list letter.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I never read you saying that. However, your constant need to point
out that he works at a bar seemed to be hinting (strongly) that he had
something to hide from the public. My guess was you were hinting either:
alcoholic or bars are bad places to work. </DIV>
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<DIV>I did say that his primary occupation was that of a bartender at The
Corner Club. I said that because Weber knowingly continued to posture
himself as a project manager long after he was terminated from that position
and after it was pointed out months ago. The appellation"project
manager" in this case was really a stretch -- paid local lobbyist would be
more accurate.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did say that Weber had a drinking problem. In addition to
receiving information about this during the last two years from many sources
including some who know Weber well and like him, I offered on this list to
have any of those supporters (like Keim & Kimberling) to run a poll of
10 of his friends and post the results. </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please don't call me a supporter. You don't know my politics.
I simply couldn't watch you make assertions I knew to be untrue (the
email) or ridiculous (Lying on the resume. I beg to differ.) I
would do the same for Nancy Chaney, if she needed defending from particularly
egregious slander.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>That did not happen. While Keim argued that Weber's false claims
were not worthy of comment, he offered no rebuttal of the claims about
Weber's drinking habits, nor did anyone else.</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That is because you never made the issue about drinking. You made
it about occupation. Different issues. I know nothing about his
drinking habits. </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Perhaps, to some lying on a resume or having a drinking problem is not
a serious thing. During my career as a consultant which included
helping businesses recruit and hire personnel, lying on a resume and/or
having a drinking problem was an automatic disqualification from
consideration of employment in the private sector for obvious reasons.
Why should it be different for the public sector?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID
83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:waf@moscow.com" target=_blank>waf@moscow.com</A><BR>208
882-7975</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com" target=_blank>keely
emerinemix</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A> ; <A
title=mattd2107@hotmail.com href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 05, 2009
8:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Just
Curious</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I must have missed Art Deco's saying that Weber was an
"alki," but if that happened, it's beyond regrettable and I hope Wayne
apologizes . . . <BR><BR><FONT color=#8064a2><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
size=3><FONT face=Verdana>Keely<BR><A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<HR>
From: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A><BR>Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:01:35
-0800<BR>CC: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just
Curious<BR><BR>
<DIV>One other thing. When someone brought up Weber's job as a bartender,
I did write on the V that that was irrelevant. Maybe you have a better
opinion of me if you stopped distorting what I say and stopped
conveniently forgetting the posts I write that you agree
with.<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 4, 2009, at 10:06 PM, Matt Decker <<A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Joe,<BR> <BR>
Exactly Joe, "what has anyone done on the left that you have
complained about"?<BR> <BR>To clarify when I stated negativity or
mudslinging goes both ways, I was not just meaning around here. I
believe our town has a wide variety of faces and opinions all
worthy. But dont for one minute think that the good ol nasty
mudslinging doesnt happen both ways.<BR> <BR>Ex.<BR> <BR>Art
deco claiming Weber is an alki and mentioning how he works at the
club. How does he know? Is Art a drinking buddy? What is
the purpose of stating he works at a bar. Answer: To
BELITTLE <BR> <BR>Another one<BR> <BR>A lady wrote an
opinion piece in the daily news about two weeks ago mentioning how she
won't vote for Weber or Brown because of "these" obnoxious signs around
town. How all the money raised by the GMA is being wasted on signs. Low
and behold the facts come out showing that Chaney has made more
money along with Reese raising more than Weber. Also, Chaney having the
samne size signs all throughout Moscow.<BR> <BR>Lastly for the
night<BR> <BR>You<BR> <BR>"This is why the radical right
movement is such a joke. They promote <BR>the view that government is
out of touch and corrupt yet their <BR>candidate for mayor needs a third
party to communicate and their state <BR>senator likes to circumvent the
democratic process with last minute <BR>stunts, like this weekend's
letter".<BR> <BR>Along with referring to our city council as "joke
radicals". Care to explain?<BR> <BR>Your last page excuse,
mentioning how you never said they are radicals, looks weird to me from
the above statements.<BR> <BR>Joe can you imagine if I said the
radical left movement on this site. But then again I wouldn't do
that. Just like I don't expect that from you. <BR> <BR>Take
care<BR> <BR>MD<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR> <BR>
<HR>
From: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Just Curious<BR>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:20:10 -0800<BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><BR>
<DIV>Give me a break! What exactly has anyone from the left done that I
have complained about? Give ONE example? There is none.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Again, what IS radical if circumventing the Democratic process is
not? And if you've been paying attention, it wasn't the first time. It
is a regular occurence. What IS radical if having connections with a
group on the Southern Poverty Law Center watch list is not?</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 3, 2009, at 7:03 AM, Matt Decker <<A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>So why not complain when the left does it Joe? Don't tell me they
don't. <BR><BR>Both sides do and I don't agree with it. But, to label
Gary as a radical, is a little far fetched in my opinion.<BR><BR>Gotta
work<BR><BR>
<HR>
From: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A><BR>Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009
06:46:04 -0800<BR>CC: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Just Curious<BR><BR>
<DIV>Another thing: if circumventing the Democratic process is not
radical enough, what is? <BR><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:11 PM, Matt Decker <<A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>Ok. So is he radical?<BR> <BR>M<BR><BR>
<HR>
From: <A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Just Curious<BR>Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:54:38 -0800<BR>CC: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><BR>
<DIV>Matt,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>He quoted the sitting mayor from a confidential letter leaked
on Dale Courtney's website. At least that was the source according
to his website when I checked it this morning.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>He also quoted Nancy out of context. And he did it all while
hiding his source. Why did he hide the source? Well one reason is
that we'd figure out the quote was out of context. You guess the
other reason.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm for information, not distortion. That's democracy for me.
Give me the info and I'll decide. And when my guy resorts to this
sort of crap, I tell him to hit the road.<SPAN> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Sent from my iPhone</DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Nov 2, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Matt Decker <<A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"
target=_blank>mattd2107@hotmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Not so sure Schroeder is radical right. Do you think he
is in the same as Limbaugh and Hannity?<BR> <BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank></A><A
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target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A><BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A><BR>> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009
18:03:38 -0800<BR>> CC: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank></A><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Just Curious<BR>> <BR>> This is why the radical
right movement is such a joke. They promote <BR>> the view that
government is out of touch and corrupt yet their <BR>>
candidate for mayor needs a third party to communicate and their
state <BR>> senator likes to circumvent the democratic process
with last minute <BR>> stunts, like this weekend's
letter.<BR>> <BR>> Sent from my iPhone<BR>> <BR>> On
Nov 2, 2009, at 5:26 PM, "Tom Hansen" <<A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank></A><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"
target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>
> Bottom line, Wayne . . .<BR>> ><BR>> > If the
mayor is not accessible by the people, how is that mayor <BR>>
> going to<BR>> > represent those people?<BR>>
><BR>> > Mayor Chaney responds to public email inquiries
regularly.<BR>> ><BR>> > Here it is the night before
election day and the people of Moscow <BR>> > don't<BR>>
> even know if John Weber even checks his email.<BR>>
><BR>> > Why does John Weber respond to the people of
Moscow, DURING HIS <BR>> > ELECTION<BR>> > CAMPAIGN,
through a third party (Greg Kimberling)?<BR>> ><BR>> >
If John Weber is elected mayor, will Greg Kimberling be Mayor
Weber's<BR>> > communication link with the people of
Moscow?<BR>> ><BR>> > Seeya at the polls,
Moscow.<BR>> ><BR>> > Tom Hansen<BR>> > Moscow,
Idaho<BR>> ><BR>> > "The Pessimist complains about the
wind, the Optimist expects it to <BR>> > change<BR>> >
and the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR>> ><BR>> > -
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