<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div>Thanks, Ted! I was just trying to make clear what I said. I've had calls and offlist letters from folks who thought I said something and it turned out to be something said in a post after mine.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm really touched by the interest. Two good sources of contemporary philosophy are the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy.</div><div><br></div><div>"Pereboom on Deliberation" is a reply to a paper by Derk Pereboom, one of the top guys in free will. He is a free will skeptic -- no one has free will -- and his book Living Without Free Will is a contemporary classic. I'm not a free will skeptic, for those who like to distort my words!</div><div><br></div><div><br>On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Ted Moffett <<a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">starbliss@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Practicing fake medicine? Those preaching ethics and theology from many pulpits are often not sufficiently qualified professionally, promoting gross oversimplifications of philosophy, from the point of view of a PhD doing technical academic philosophy. They sometimes promote that gays are terrible sinners, promoting bigotry, that those following other religions will not be "saved," which can encourage discrimination against other religions, that women be subservient, that well researched scientific theories are false (evolution), encouraging anti-science (Creationism) curriculum in schools, and an anti-science attitude in general, resulting in millions in the US hampering necessary political and economic changes to address critical problems that are based on a broad understanding of science, such as climate change. I could go on... but... Are they philosophical theological fakes? It would seem so...</div>
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<div>The preceding paragraph actually belongs in the thread on the Hitchens/Wilson debate...</div>
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<div>What you wrote, which I think has merit, regarding the discussion of the Hitchens/Wilson "debate," is the following, which implies rather clearly, unless I'm misreading intention, that the Hitchens/Wilson debate was somehow "...creating the illusion the one is really doing philosophy:"</div>
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<div><br>"There are a host of issues here that I wouldn't<br>even attempt to address in a single course, let alone a book or a<br>movie. This is an oversimplification of philosophy. As a philosopher,<br>this kind of stuff drives me up the wall. But I understand that<br>
philosophy is open to all, so in the end there is nothing wrong with<br>it other than creating the illusion that one is really doing<br>philosophy."<br>-----------------</div>
<div>Anyway, I don't recall that I wrote that you or anyone is a "real philosopher" or that you said as much about yourself. I said I was seeking "real" philosophy to read, by which I meant work that is perhaps more academic, specialized, more technical, maybe less aimed at the general public for consumption. What I found in your articles is just the ticket, with challenging and interesting new ideas, at least to my mind.</div>
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<div>Of course different academic schools of philosophy around the world have very different approaches to the problems they address, that are perhaps mutually exclusive. The disagreements might result in some professional academic philosophers declaring some others to be not doing "real" philosophy. Compare Baudrillard with your approach...</div>
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<div>I also located a couple of more papers online, one that is published, it appears:</div>
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<div><a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118517190/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0"></a><a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118517190/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0"><a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118517190/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0">http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118517190/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0</a></a></div>
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<div class="title-document">Free will and the necessity of the past</div></div>
<div class="author-info"><span class="name"><span class="forenames">J<span class="smallcapitals">oseph</span> K<span class="smallcapitals">eim</span></span> <span class="surname">C<span class="smallcapitals">ampbell</span></span>*</span>
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<div class="volIss"><a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/118517187/issue"><strong>Volume 67 Issue 294</strong></a><strong>, Pages 105 - 111</strong></div></div>
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<div>And another that I'm not sure whether to call it "published" or not, but it is directly available on the web with no log-in or fee:</div>
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<div>"Pereboom on Deliberation"</div>
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<div>I like this opening sentence:</div>
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<div>"To quote the <strong>Velvet Underground</strong>, “I have made the big decision.<b>"</b></div>
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<div><a href="http://experimentalphilosophy.typepad.com/2nd_annual_online_philoso/files/cambells_commentary_on_pereboom.pdf"></a><a href="http://experimentalphilosophy.typepad.com/2nd_annual_online_philoso/files/cambells_commentary_on_pereboom.pdf"><a href="http://experimentalphilosophy.typepad.com/2nd_annual_online_philoso/files/cambells_commentary_on_pereboom.pdf">http://experimentalphilosophy.typepad.com/2nd_annual_online_philoso/files/cambells_commentary_on_pereboom.pdf</a></a></div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/4/09, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joe Campbell</b> <<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:</span>
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<div>Also, I never said I was a "real philosopher." I am a professional philosopher, that us, I have a job teaching philosophy and that job requires that I publish also.</div>
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<div>Look if you were a doctor and saw someone practicing fake medicine -- and getting a lot of attention for it -- I'm sure it would tick you off. And not just because it's dangerous. Don't make too much out of it. And if you find an instance where I show disrespect for my opponent, I'd like to know about it.<br>
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<div>That's 3 for me! See you tomorrow! </div>
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<div>In seeking some "real" philosophy to read, I decided to look up articles by Joseph Keim Campbell, Washington State University philosopher who sometimes contributes to Vision2020. Oddly, Campbell's faculty page on the WSU website does not list his published articles, nor any article in total. Or did I miss something? </div>
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<div>The MIT press lists books that J. K. Campbell has edited, but these are collections of essays by various authors. The <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://informationphilosopher.com/" target="_blank"></a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://informationphilosopher.com/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://informationphilosopher.com"><a href="http://informationphilosopher.com">informationphilosopher.com</a></a> website quotes one Campbell article, "A Compatibilist Theory of Alternative Possibilities," <em>Philosophical Studies</em>, 88, pp.319-30, 1997, which is also listed on <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://philpapers.org/" target="_blank"></a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://philpapers.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://philpapers.org"><a href="http://philpapers.org">philpapers.org</a></a>, though it indicates "<span>Philosophical Studies</span> 67 (3):339-44," with two other listed articles, (2005). <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Compatibilist Alternatives.</a><span> <span>Canadian Journal Of Philosophy</span> 35 (3):387-406</span>(1996), <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/w33884331m8165w3/fulltext.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Hume's Refutation of the Cosmological Argument.</a><span> <span>International Journal for Philosophy of Religion</span> 40 (3), a</span>nd one reference to an MIT press collection of essays by various authors.</div>
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<div>I found two J. K. Campbell articles, with admittedly limited research, that are available in total online with direct access (no log-in or fee), an article titled as in the subject heading, oddly on the University of Idaho's website: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/philosophy/essays/Campbell.Stawson.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/philosophy/essays/Campbell.Stawson.pdf" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/philosophy/essays/Campbell.Stawson.pdf"><a href="http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/philosophy/essays/Campbell.Stawson.pdf">http://www.uiweb.uidaho.edu/philosophy/essays/Campbell.Stawson.pdf</a></a> , not WSU's, and "Compatabilist Alternatives" as listed above, at this website: <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html" target="_blank"></a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html"><a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html">http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~uctytho/dfwCompatCampbell.html</a></a></div>
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<div>The two other articles mentioned above are available with a log-in and/or fee from the web links given at <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://philpapers.org/" target="_blank"></a><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://philpapers.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://philpapers.org"><a href="http://philpapers.org">philpapers.org</a></a>, which I did not pursue.</div>
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<div>Perhaps there is a comprehensive listing somewhere of all of J. K. Campbell's publications in philosophy? It's puzzling that the WSU website does not offer a comprehensive listing of Campbell's published articles, unless I missed it.</div>
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