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Hi again, I think you might have misunderstood my post. This line would indicate that I am aware that you saw the abortion billboard:<BR>
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"I found it amazing that when the woman flung the fake blood on the blackmarket abortion billboard you referenced it actually resembled the shape of a bleeding heart."<BR>
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It's obvious that YOU are familiar with his work but if WE are working together at compelling others to check him out, those who may be of a more conservative persuasion, I felt it may be more important to share more about his message and symbolism rather than the graphic nature of some of his work.<BR>
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Sometimes in sales, it's best to leave folks wanting more information in an attempt to move them to go looking further rather than scaring them away right out the gate. I attempted to offer more into his meaning rather than make folks think he just does bloody pro abortion and juvenile cartoon mouse boobies. Sharing these visuals may have the opposite effect than you (and I originally) were after.<BR><BR>
What do you suppose he is trying to convey by painting all those Mouse Boobs?<BR>
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I think we both know that his abortion billboard sends the message that countries that do not allow abortion kill more babies and their mothers than in places where we are allowed the choice. You left this out of your post so I attempted to fill in some blanks. That's all. No biggie.<BR>
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Thanks Keely, I'll look into the artist you mentioned!<BR>
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Don<BR>
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>> From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 38<BR>> To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:03:54 -0800<BR>> <BR>> Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>> vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics:<BR>> <BR>> 1. Re: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 36 (Ted Moffett)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> Message: 1<BR>> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:03:49 -0800<BR>> From: Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com><BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 36<BR>> To: donald edwards <donaledwards@hotmail.com><BR>> Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Message-ID:<BR>> <d03f69e0911041603n6372f2e5y45324051fcdf947f@mail.gmail.com><BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> <BR>> I did see the event with the billboard of the clothes hanger and the women<BR>> and "blood" on LinkTV recently when they ran the Ron English documentary<BR>> that LinkTV is running again this next Saturday, as my previous post on this<BR>> subject indicated.<BR>> <BR>> Ted Moffett<BR>> <BR>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, donald edwards <donaledwards@hotmail.com>wrote:<BR>> <BR>> > Yes, great movie. I believe I might have advertised it on list before. If<BR>> > folks here check the link I posted they may feel compelled to surf around<BR>> > his site at other billboards and his actual paintings, which are all<BR>> > extremely thought provoking in addition to their colorful detail.<BR>> ><BR>> > He makes a good argument for how religion has not only been commercialized<BR>> > but also replaced by corporate commercial icons in modern culture. ie:<BR>> > Mickey Mouse, KISS, Joe Camel & even cereal or fast food cartoons at the<BR>> > Last Supper. He depicts colorful and graphic art in much the same way that<BR>> > marketers for corporations are able to hijack free speech and spoon feed us<BR>> > all with their child targetted advertising.<BR>> ><BR>> > Unfortunately Ted, Some won't look this deep into his message and simply<BR>> > turn a blind eye and dismiss him. I purposely didn't go into much detail<BR>> > about the specifics of his work so that these people might actually end up<BR>> > at his site prior to passing premature judgement about his use of nudity or<BR>> > depictions of religion & violence. I found it amazing that when the woman<BR>> > flung the fake blood on the blackmarket abortion billboard you referenced it<BR>> > actually resembled the shape of a bleeding heart. This would have<BR>> > been impossible to fake or stage. See it in real time on the movie<BR>> > "Popaganda" you mentioned<BR>> ><BR>> > Don<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > From: vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> > > Subject: Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 36<BR>> > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:28:17 -0800<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>> > > vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>> > > http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>> > > vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>> > > vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR>> > ><BR>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>> > > than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Today's Topics:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > 1. Re: Vandals Strike again (Ted Moffett)<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Message: 1<BR>> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:28:14 -0800<BR>> > > From: Ted Moffett <starbliss@gmail.com><BR>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vandals Strike again<BR>> > > To: donald edwards <donaledwards@hotmail.com><BR>> > > Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > Message-ID:<BR>> > > <d03f69e0911041528w4bcee580h87a405e69de01833@mail.gmail.com><BR>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> > ><BR>> > > http://www.linktv.org/programs/popaganda<BR>> > ><BR>> > > POPaganda: The Art & Crimes of Ron English<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Saturday, November 7th, 11 PM: DirectTV 375/Dish 9410<BR>> > ><BR>> > > *POPaganda: The Art & Crimes of Ron English* is a film about the<BR>> > > culture-jamming and billboard-liberation antics of Ron English. The<BR>> > modern<BR>> > > day Robin Hood of Madison Avenue, Ron paints, perverts, infiltrates,<BR>> > > reinvents and satirizes modern culture on canvas, in songs, and directly<BR>> > on<BR>> > > hundreds of pirated billboards. Shot entirely guerilla-style, the film<BR>> > > chronicles the evolution of an artist who offers an alternative universe<BR>> > > where nothing is sacred, everything is subverted and there's always room<BR>> > for<BR>> > > a little good-natured fun.<BR>> > > -----------------------------------------<BR>> > > LinkTV is running a great documentary about Ron English, with video of<BR>> > many<BR>> > > of his billboard/art/vandalism works (and his art works, in art gallery<BR>> > > shows), video of the actual event of covering the billboard. The examples<BR>> > > in this documentary mostly or always involved the entire billboard being<BR>> > > covered with an already completed art work that is placed on top of the<BR>> > > original, with wall paper "glue." In one case a billboard was covered<BR>> > with<BR>> > > a huge picture of a clothes hanger. This documentary shows a totally nude<BR>> > > women climbing up in front of this billboard, way off the ground, then<BR>> > she<BR>> > > somehow released a huge amount of what was meant to look like blood, as<BR>> > she<BR>> > > collapsed in a scream... The documentary also shows English putting up a<BR>> > > billboard with a picture of what is supposed to be Christ on the cross,<BR>> > with<BR>> > > the text, "Let's Get Drunk And Kill God." English narrates how he knew<BR>> > that<BR>> > > when this billboard went up, trouble was likely, so he told his crew to<BR>> > get<BR>> > > it up quickly and leave immediately. Sure enough, according to English,<BR>> > > individuals with baseball bats came after members of his crew, though the<BR>> > > documentary does not show this actually happening. English is also shown<BR>> > > being written up by a policeman for vandalizing a billboard. Some of his<BR>> > > art works are bizarre, surreal, like the Marilyn Monroe work with Mickey<BR>> > > Mouse breasts:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Marilyn Monroe with Mickey Mouse breasts:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_poster/ron_english_2006.htm<BR>> > ><BR>> > > KISS kid in car:<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product_static.asp?master_movie_id=32065&sku=310335<BR>> > > -------------------------------------------<BR>> > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM, donald edwards <donaledwards@hotmail.com<BR>> > >wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > > These billboard vandals should think about hiring an actual billboard<BR>> > > > hijacker like Ron English if they have a message to convey through<BR>> > their<BR>> > > > art. So far they just appear to be hypocrites without an original<BR>> > thought.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > See some examples here:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > http://www.popaganda.com/billboards/index6.shtml<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > > Message: 2<BR>> > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:13:55 -0800<BR>> > > > > From: "Bill London" <london@moscow.com><BR>> > > > > Subject: [Vision2020] vandals strike again<BR>> > > > > To: <vision2020@secure.fsr.com><BR>> > > > > Message-ID: <0204A93D941B4A2AB8D8B8067D8ED0DA@DC9FX4D1><BR>> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Humanist Billboard Vandalized in Moscow, Idaho.Again<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > (Washington, D.C, November 4, 2009) An individual or individuals have<BR>> > > > > defaced a billboard in Moscow, Idaho. again. The billboard originally<BR>> > > > > read "Millions are good without God" but was partially obscured with<BR>> > > > > blue paint to now read "Millions are good with God". It's the second<BR>> > > > > time the American Humanist Association (AHA)-sponsored billboard has<BR>> > > > > been vandalized in two weeks. In the first instance the word<BR>> > "without"<BR>> > > > > was completely blacked out, after which the AHA quickly replaced the<BR>> > > > > billboard. The advertisement, which was originally placed<BR>> > > > > mid-September, is part of an American Humanist Association<BR>> > advertising<BR>> > > > > campaign to spread awareness about being good without God. It's the<BR>> > > > > third billboard advertisement the organization has displayed in the<BR>> > > > > Moscow area and similar ads have been put up around the country.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > A picture of the vandalized billboard can be found here:<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1225/Picture_002.jpg.<BR>> > > > > The billboard can be found on Highway 95, just south of Moscow near<BR>> > > > > the Sweet Avenue cross street, facing northbound traffic.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > "The irony here is worth noting," said David Niose, president of the<BR>> > > > > American Humanist Association. "Some individuals are committing<BR>> > > > > criminal acts while apparently claiming that their religious view of<BR>> > > > > the world leads to good behavior. It's not a very convincing argument<BR>> > > > > on their part."<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > "This is not just vandalism, it is religiously motivated vandalism<BR>> > > > > which attempts to silence a minority viewpoint," added Niose.<BR>> > > > > "Everyone, not just humanists, should be concerned about such acts."<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > The Moscow Police Department notified the AHA this morning. They<BR>> > > > > believe the ad defaced between 1 and 3 am. The AHA has alerted the<BR>> > > > > billboard company who leased the space, Lamar Outdoor, who said they<BR>> > > > > will start leaving the lights on round the clock. The AHA will be<BR>> > > > > replacing the billboard but hasn't yet decided whether to go with the<BR>> > > > > same design.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > "I'm disturbed that this happened again," said Roy Speckhardt,<BR>> > > > > executive director of the American Humanist Association. "Two<BR>> > > > > consecutive crimes in a town where the last incidence of billboard<BR>> > > > > vandalism was years ago makes it obvious that humanists and our<BR>> > > > > message are being targeted."<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org)<BR>> > advocates<BR>> > > > > for the rights and viewpoints of humanists. Founded in 1941 and<BR>> > > > > headquartered in Washington, D.C., its work is extended through more<BR>> > > > > than 100 local chapters and affiliates across the United States.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Humanism is the idea that you can be good without a belief in God.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > ###<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Contact:<BR>> > > > > Karen Frantz<BR>> > > > > 202-238-9088<BR>> > > > > cell: 703-725-4112<BR>> > > > > kfrantz@americanhumanist.org<BR>> > > > > -------------- next part --------------<BR>> > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<BR>> > > > > URL:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/attachments/20091104/6d8cecc8/attachment-0001.html<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > ------------------------------<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Message: 3<BR>> > > > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:29:27 -0800 (PST)<BR>> > > > > From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><BR>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] vandals strike again<BR>> > > > > To: "Bill London" <london@moscow.com><BR>> > > > > Cc: vision2020@secure.fsr.com<BR>> > > > > Message-ID: <<BR>> > a6185dc0556eb7d1c764f1c4be0e0550.squirrel@secure.fsr.com><BR>> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Something that seems peculiar about this particular defacing is . . .<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > The method, which was appplied this time, is extremely similar to the<BR>> > > > > suggestion I had made jokingly to the Viz on October 29th.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2009-October/066883.html<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Hmm.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Tom Hansen<BR>> > > > > Moscow, Idaho<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Humanist Billboard Vandalized in Moscow, Idaho.Again<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > (Washington, D.C, November 4, 2009) An individual or individuals<BR>> > have<BR>> > > > > > defaced a billboard in Moscow, Idaho. again. The billboard<BR>> > originally<BR>> > > > > > read "Millions are good without God" but was partially obscured<BR>> > with<BR>> > > > > > blue paint to now read "Millions are good with God". It's the<BR>> > second<BR>> > > > > > time the American Humanist Association (AHA)-sponsored billboard<BR>> > has<BR>> > > > > > been vandalized in two weeks. In the first instance the word<BR>> > "without"<BR>> > > > > > was completely blacked out, after which the AHA quickly replaced<BR>> > the<BR>> > > > > > billboard. The advertisement, which was originally placed<BR>> > > > > > mid-September, is part of an American Humanist Association<BR>> > advertising<BR>> > > > > > campaign to spread awareness about being good without God. It's the<BR>> > > > > > third billboard advertisement the organization has displayed in the<BR>> > > > > > Moscow area and similar ads have been put up around the country.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > A picture of the vandalized billboard can be found here:<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > http://www.americanhumanist.org/system/storage/29/1225/Picture_002.jpg<BR>> > > > .<BR>> > > > > > The billboard can be found on Highway 95, just south of Moscow near<BR>> > > > > > the Sweet Avenue cross street, facing northbound traffic.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > "The irony here is worth noting," said David Niose, president of<BR>> > the<BR>> > > > > > American Humanist Association. "Some individuals are committing<BR>> > > > > > criminal acts while apparently claiming that their religious view<BR>> > of<BR>> > > > > > the world leads to good behavior. It's not a very convincing<BR>> > argument<BR>> > > > > > on their part."<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > "This is not just vandalism, it is religiously motivated vandalism<BR>> > > > > > which attempts to silence a minority viewpoint," added Niose.<BR>> > > > > > "Everyone, not just humanists, should be concerned about such<BR>> > acts."<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > The Moscow Police Department notified the AHA this morning. They<BR>> > > > > > believe the ad defaced between 1 and 3 am. The AHA has alerted the<BR>> > > > > > billboard company who leased the space, Lamar Outdoor, who said<BR>> > they<BR>> > > > > > will start leaving the lights on round the clock. The AHA will be<BR>> > > > > > replacing the billboard but hasn't yet decided whether to go with<BR>> > the<BR>> > > > > > same design.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > "I'm disturbed that this happened again," said Roy Speckhardt,<BR>> > > > > > executive director of the American Humanist Association. "Two<BR>> > > > > > consecutive crimes in a town where the last incidence of billboard<BR>> > > > > > vandalism was years ago makes it obvious that humanists and our<BR>> > > > > > message are being targeted."<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > The American Humanist Association (www.americanhumanist.org)<BR>> > advocates<BR>> > > > > > for the rights and viewpoints of humanists. Founded in 1941 and<BR>> > > > > > headquartered in Washington, D.C., its work is extended through<BR>> > more<BR>> > > > > > than 100 local chapters and affiliates across the United States.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Humanism is the idea that you can be good without a belief in God.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > ###<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Contact:<BR>> > > > > > Karen Frantz<BR>> > > > > > 202-238-9088<BR>> > > > > > cell: 703-725-4112<BR>> > > > > > kfrantz@americanhumanist.org<BR>> > > > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > > > > > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to<BR>> > > > change<BR>> > > > > and the Realist adjusts his sails."<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > - Unknown<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > ------------------------------<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> > > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<BR>> > > > > http://www.fsr.net<BR>> > > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > > > > =======================================================<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > End of Vision2020 Digest, Vol 41, Issue 33<BR>> > > > > ******************************************<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > ------------------------------<BR>> > > > Find the right PC with Windows 7 and Windows Live. 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