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<DIV><FONT size=2>Aside from trivial mistakes in your last post(e.g. Kimberling
forwarded an email from someone -- look at his post, it is not a forward but an
original email, etc.), </FONT><FONT size=2>here are the problems:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Who wrote the original statement of retraction? If Weber
wrote it as claimed by Kimberling, the what how did he write it? By hand,
on a typewriter, on a computer. If the latter, why didn't he just email
himself to you and Kimberling?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I raised this question originally because I have seen some of
Weber's solo attempts at written communication. Being as charitable as
possible, I'd say that solo, unedited, written communication is far from Weber's
forte and the statement of retraction beyond his ken without help. I
suspect that Kathy Weber composed the statement of retraction possibly with some
salutary participation from Weber himself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Why didn't the Weber campaign communicate directly with the
600+ members of V2020 about this and the issue of his false resume on the city
website?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The campaign has an email address <A
href="mailto:info@weber-mayor.com">info@weber-mayor.com</A> It would a
simple matter of less than a minute to join that address to V2020 and to respond
directly to the list.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I think the answer is arrogance, ignorance, and
fear. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2> Arrogance, because I don't think Weber gives a rat's ass
about what those active on V2020 think. Ignorance, because he is almost
totally computer illiterate -- an inexcusable state for any modern public
official. Fear, because there is no credible answer to his continued false
resume on the city website, and to admit such a continuing error is to admit to
a significant moral laxity.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>There are several more issues about Weber's honesty
and/or ineptitude just considering his last handout (in the DN) that have yet to
be raised. Although it will be too late to address them before the
election, my curiosity has been so piqued that I will in time do the necessary
research and investigation about some of these.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=keim153@gmail.com href="mailto:keim153@gmail.com">Darrell Keim</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 02, 2009 10:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Just
Curious</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne:<BR><BR>I believe I read your note with due
diligence.<BR><BR>Read my note again, specifically the 3rd paragraph. I
do answer your<BR>question: From whence, from whom, and how did the
response allegedly<BR>by Weber get to Kimberling? In point of fact I
answer that question,<BR>and negate your assertion: it is not a forwarded
email, but originated<BR>with Kimberling. You will see my claim
that Greg and I were both<BR>forwarded the same email from a third party, his
sister (at least I<BR>think she is his sister). I posit that Weber chose to
communicate with<BR>Greg and I through this 3rd party-probably because that
was how we<BR>contacted him.<BR><BR>As to your second question: Who
really wrote the response attributed<BR>to John Weber? Occams Razor
would indicate that it is most likely<BR>John Weber wrote the very simple and
relatively harmless note that is<BR>attributed to John Weber.<BR><BR>If you
are truly concerned why not call Weber at the phone number he
provided.<BR><BR>To quote my wife: Paranoia will destroy-a.<BR><BR><BR>On Mon,
Nov 2, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Art Deco <<A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>> wrote:<BR>> There is
no doubt that Greg Kimberling did not email John Weber. He says<BR>> so.
That was not the issue I raised.<BR>><BR>> My questions concerned about
how the letter allegedly written by John Weber<BR>> got to
Kimberling:<BR>><BR>> "Since, Kimberling writes in his second email that
he has never communicated<BR>> with John Weber via email, but then says
apparently contradictorily: "John<BR>> wrote back his response and I
thought it might be appropriate to post it on<BR>> the website." A look at
the first email below shows it is not a forwarded<BR>> email, but
originated with Kimberling.<BR>><BR>> From whence, from whom, and how
did the response allegedly by Weber get to<BR>> Kimberling? Who really
wrote the response attributed to John Weber? "<BR>><BR>><BR>> It
appears that it is you that needs to make an adjustment, perhaps in
the<BR>> care that you take to read the issue I raised.<BR>><BR>>
W.<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: Darrell
Keim<BR>> To: Art Deco<BR>> Cc: Vision 2020<BR>> Sent: Monday,
November 02, 2009 6:14 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Just
Curious<BR>> Wayne:<BR>><BR>> I suggest that you need to adjust the
tinfoil in your hat. It seems<BR>> to be a bit tight.<BR>><BR>> The
answer lies in the 2nd email you quote from Greg: I simply made<BR>>
contact with John through his sister and asked what the deal
was.<BR>><BR>> I'll bet Greg didn't email John. He probably used the
"contact us"<BR>> section on the Weber web page. I also notified the Weber
campaign of<BR>> the website problems via "contact us". I got the same
email that Greg<BR>> did, in fact both of our addresses were on it. Greg
had already<BR>> forwarded it to this list, so I took no further action.
Incidentally,<BR>> I did not get my reply directly from John Weber. I
received it from a<BR>> third party (probably the person in charge of his
website, which is, I<BR>> think, his sister).<BR>><BR>> I would like
to take this time to say: It looks like we have two well<BR>> qualified
candidates for mayor. Both represent very different visions<BR>> for
Moscow. I encourage all v2020 to get out and vote for the<BR>> candidate
that best represents their vision for our little burg. Good<BR>> luck to
both candidates!<BR>><BR>> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Art Deco
<<A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>> To those that may wonder too:<BR>>><BR>>> Below
are copies of two emails from Greg Kimberling.<BR>>><BR>>> The
first contains a letter allegedly written by John Weber in response
to<BR>>> questions raised on V2020 (and elsewhere) about the truth of
certain<BR>>> statements then on Weber's campaign
website.<BR>>><BR>>> The second is a response by Greg Kimberling
to the question: "Does Weber<BR>>> use email?"<BR>>><BR>>>
Since, Kimberling writes in his second email that he has never<BR>>>
communicated<BR>>> with John Weber via email, but then says apparently
contradictorily: "John<BR>>> wrote back his response and I thought it
might be appropriate to post it<BR>>> on<BR>>> the website." A
look at the first email below shows it is not a forwarded<BR>>> email,
but originated with Kimberling.<BR>>><BR>>> From whence, from
whom, and how did the response allegedly by Weber get to<BR>>>
Kimberling? Who really wrote the response attributed to John
Weber?<BR>>><BR>>> Perhaps someone can help this curious, but
befuddled old codger by<BR>>> answering<BR>>> these two
questions.<BR>>><BR>>> Further, I am curious because over the last
few months, I emailed Weber<BR>>> many<BR>>> times. I have never
received a response from him. But on almost all emails<BR>>> sent, I
received an error message which basically said my email was<BR>>>
undeliverable because his box was full. When I mentioned this to
several<BR>>> city staff, part of the responses received was that Weber
did not use<BR>>> email<BR>>> since he did not know how. Hence my
questions above about the origin and<BR>>> initial transmission of his
retraction of previous claims.<BR>>><BR>>> I agree with the
earlier statement of Tom Trail. Email is a very important<BR>>> and
crucial tool for any public official when listening to and when<BR>>>
responding to public concerns. Representative Trail is always quick
to<BR>>> respond to my email queries and concerns, and his responses are
germane.<BR>>><BR>>> I'd be grateful for any help anyone can give
[on list] to relieve my<BR>>> befuddlement on this
issue.<BR>>><BR>>> Wayne A. Fox<BR>>> 1009 Karen
Lane<BR>>> PO Box 9421<BR>>> Moscow, ID
83843<BR>>><BR>>> <A
href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR>>> 208
882-7975<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>>> From: Greg Kimberling<BR>>> To: 'Paul Rumelhart' ;
'Wayne Price' ; 'Darrell Keim'<BR>>> Cc: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:32 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Question Concerning John Weber<BR>>> Here is a response
from John Weber:<BR>>><BR>>> To Vision 2020 readers and
participants; I regret the error on my<BR>>> Weber-Mayor.com web
page.<BR>>><BR>>> I have never been Moscow's Police Chief nor have
I ever been the attorney<BR>>> for the City of Moscow. However I have
been on the search committees that<BR>>> helped fill these positions in
the past.<BR>>><BR>>> I would like to thank the Moscow citizens
that caught this mistake and<BR>>> gave me the opportunity to correct
it, both on Vision 2020 and my web<BR>>> page.<BR>>><BR>>>
If anyone would like to discuss this with me further, please contact
me<BR>>> at 208.882.6794.<BR>>><BR>>> John
Weber<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
----- Original Message -----<BR>>> From: Greg Kimberling<BR>>> To:
'Bill London' ; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@secure.fsr.com">vision2020@secure.fsr.com</A><BR>>>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:35 PM<BR>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Does Weber use email?<BR>>><BR>>> Bill, Cathy and
others:<BR>>><BR>>> I appreciate your notes. My response on Vision
2020 was a practical issue.<BR>>> The discussion was based upon a number
of items posted on his campaign<BR>>> website about his experience and
or qualifications. Instead of debating<BR>>> the<BR>>> issue about
facts I was unsure about I simply made contact with John<BR>>>
through<BR>>> his sister and asked what the deal was. John wrote back
his response and I<BR>>> thought it might be appropriate to post it on
the website. It seemed like<BR>>> a<BR>>> very logical step to
take regardless of whether you support one candidate<BR>>>
or<BR>>> the other.<BR>>><BR>>> I have never communicated
with John through email so I cannot answer your<BR>>> question regarding
an email address for him. I have always called him up<BR>>>
or<BR>>> met with him face to face. I do not represent his campaign or
the<BR>>> committee<BR>>> assisting him so I would suggest you
contact him directly with the phone<BR>>> number he gave out –
882-6794<BR>>><BR>>> Best Wishes,<BR>>><BR>>> Greg
Kimberling<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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