<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>You think I'm against "respectful" debate on the V because I don't want to listen to two people, each of which thinks the other is an idiot, talk about a delicate topic like religion!?! LOL! </div><div><br></div><div>You have the wrong impression of me, Selina! Let's talk about it over lunch, I'll treat.</div><div><br></div><div>I think it is ironic that I have asked every single Christ Church supporter that has posted on the V out to lunch, and not one has accepted my offer. Yet I'm the one who is against open debate!?! You hate my politics so much that you won't even join me for lunch, yet I'm close-minded!?!</div><div><br></div><div>Be the first, Selina! Actually, today a late afternoon beer at the Silos would work best given my schedule. My son has a soccer game at noon, 2-4 is good. </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Selina Davis <<a href="mailto:selinadavis@hotmail.com">selinadavis@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
Naw, I wasn't expecting a mutually respectful debate on the screen. I meant a mutually respectful discussion among those of us in the audience afterward. I'm familiar with Chris Hitchens' work and his persona as a conservative, boozy intellectual/writer given to throwing rhetorical bombs. That's his charm. It sounds like the film might be entertaining and fodder for good discussion, though.<br>
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I enjoyed the Newsweek religion editor's take on it ... but I expect that I will feel compelled to watch the movie anyway. <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/219009"><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/219009">http://www.newsweek.com/id/219009</a></a><br>
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- Selina<br> <br>> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 07:59:43 -0700<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity<br>> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a></a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:selinadavis@hotmail.com">selinadavis@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>> <br>> I simply write this whole debate thing off as some kind of theological<br>> soap opera, Joe.<br>> <br>> Holy Rapture, Batman!<br>> <br>> Tom Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> > Mutally respectful discussion from Hitchens and Wilson? You haven't<br>> > really followed the debate, have you. Hitchens thinks that<br>> > fundamentalists like Wilson are dangerous idiots. He also thinks that<br>> > ALL Christians are fundamentalists. Thus, religion in general is<br>> > nothing more than dangerous idiocy.<br>> ><br>> > Wilson, of course, thinks that Christianity allows for slavery -- that<br>> > some slavery is permissable -- and has written -- well, at least wrote<br>> > part of since the original work was partly ripped if from a<br>> > discredited academic source -- a revisionist history of American<br>> > slavery, where it turns out that the best race relations in the<br>> > country happened when we kept blacks in chains!<br>> ><br>> > This is not an academic debate -- they have exactly one MA between<br>> > them. This is a circus, where difficult issues about religion are<br>> > glossed over in favor of insulting generalizations. Of course, this<br>> > kind of crap has always sold well!<br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> ><br>> > On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:10 PM, Selina Davis <<a href="mailto:selinadavis@hotmail.com">selinadavis@hotmail.com</a>><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> And here's the link to info about the movie:<br>> >> <a href="http://www.collisionmovie.com/"><a href="http://www.collisionmovie.com/">http://www.collisionmovie.com/</a></a><br>> >> and a link to Pastor Wilson with Chris Hitchens for an hour on the<br>> >> nationally-syndicated Laura Ingraham Show today (haven't listened to<br>> >> it yet): <a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2009/10/23/70483.aspx"><a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2009/10/23/70483.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2009/10/23/70483.aspx</a></a><br>> >><br>> >> It's always intriguing when someone around here gains a degree of<br>> >> notoriety beyond our region. Can we anticipate a showing and<br>> >> spirited (yet hopefully mutually respectful) discussion at the Nuart<br>> >> and/or Kenworthy sometime soon?<br>> >><br>> >> - Selina<br>> >><br>> >> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:41:30 -0700<br>> >> From: <a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com"><a href="mailto:rforce2003@yahoo.com">rforce2003@yahoo.com</a></a><br>> >> To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Local Media Celebrity<br>> >><br>> >> fighting words<br>> >> Faith No More<br>> >> What I've learned from debating religious people around the world.<br>> >> By Christopher Hitchens<br>> >> Posted Monday, Oct. 26, 2009, at 11:21 AM ET<br>> >><br>> >> This week sees the opening on various cinema marquees of the film<br>> >> Collision: a buddy-and-road movie featuring last year's debates<br>> >> between Pastor Douglas Wilson, who is a senior fellow at New St.<br>> >> Andrew's College, and your humble servant. 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