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<DIV><FONT size=2>Have you ever heard the old saying "Old sins cast long
shadows" uttered in the context of certain religious leaders and their close
aides.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I'm guessing that in a few months we will see a very amusing
(at least for some of us) instance of what this saying is about with
respect to Wilson, and perhaps one of those in his inner circle (who left his
last job under a cloud of habitual sexual misconduct).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=objectivereason@gmail.com
href="mailto:objectivereason@gmail.com">Objective Reason</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 19, 2009 11:02
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] More
Evangelical Christians are Getting It</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Art or Wayne or whoever you are. I did not think that was
the only thing they shared. The thought never entered my mind. I
didn't even mention Phelps. But I guess I'm glad you're getting to rant.
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<DIV>Well then I'll be sure to keep in mind that no matter what Wilson or
Phelps say or do, even if you didn't read the book, or know what they said in
a conference, or in a speech they gave, that you'll draw judgment, because you
know their hearts, and I just won't say anything, because it'll be useless.
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Art Deco <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>If you think that hatred and condemnation of gays is all
Fred Phelps and Douglas Wilson share, think again.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>They both start their fundamental theological positions
from, and both are unrelenting,
apodictic, full-doctrine Calvinists.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Tom Hansen is quite correct. Both Wilson and Phelps
make their positions prodigiously available on the web, and in Wilson's
case, destroy whole forests with crackpot tracts from his vanity
press. The preachings in some of these tracts are at wide variance
with some of Wilson's own behavior. He is a liar and hypocrite in
these and other matters.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>As far as visiting Christ Church: I don't have to
swim in a cesspool to know what it is. In addition, I hate seeing
sheep fleeced during a blizzard, and then led to slaughter.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=objectivereason@gmail.com href="mailto:objectivereason@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Objective Reason</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm
href="mailto:v2020@ssl.fastmail.fm" target=_blank>Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 19, 2009 5:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] More
Evangelical Christians are Getting It</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Evangelical Christians are getting it? There is
nothing for Christians to get in that area. The Bible is explicitly
clear concerning homosexuality.
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<DIV>I Cor. 6:9-10 "<SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Charis SIL', charis, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 16px">Or
do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,<FONT size=3><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 6px; FONT-SIZE: 12px"> </SPAN></FONT>nor thieves,
nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God." </SPAN></DIV>
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face="'Charis SIL', charis, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN
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<DIV><FONT size=4
face="'Charis SIL', charis, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16px">I Tim. 1:9-11 "understanding this, that
the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and
disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for
those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the
sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars,
perjurers, and whatever else is contrary
to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of
the glory of the blessed God with which I have been
entrusted."<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>These verses are pretty self-explanatory (whether you agree with them
or not). So Christians that are beginning to accept homosexuality
are going against their own faith. I'm sure you would say that
people are entitled to believe whatever they want, and while you obviously
don't agree with Christianity very much, it should be pointed out that
those "Christians" in the gay parades are the ones not getting it.
Christians should treat them just like murderers, enslavers, liars
etc. Christians preach against it, pray for them, and minister to
them, just like murderers etc. No bigotry here. But that's
obviously not how you see it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Art- You sure draw a lot of conclusions and create a lot of
conspiracy theories by not attending the conference or visiting the
churches you attack. </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Saundra Lund <SPAN
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class=gmail_quote>In spite of Christ Church's gross perversion last week
(the "Sexual<BR>Orthodoxy" ministerial conference), it heartens me to
continue to come<BR>across more and more Evangelical Christians who
really are getting it.<BR><BR>A Step in Faith<BR>Evangelical Christian
Brent Childers explains his journey from believing<BR>that homosexuality
was an abomination to marching in a pro-gay march
on<BR>Washington.<BR><BR><A href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910"
target=_blank>http://www.newsweek.com/id/216910</A><BR><BR>"There are
many, many others I have met in my work with Faith in America, as<BR>we
try to bring awareness and understanding to the pain and trauma caused
to<BR>LGBT people, especially youth, when church teaching is misused to
justify<BR>and promote a societal climate of rejection, condemnation,
and<BR>discrimination. . . Every person coming to Washington-whether
they are<BR>religious or not-does share one faith, and that is faith in
America. We can<BR>and must do better. As the progress of history has
shown, Americans will<BR>prove themselves able to see beyond
religion-based bigotry to the promises<BR>of equal treatment for all.
Those who use religion-based bigotry to<BR>persecute and discriminate
against LGBT people are on the wrong side of<BR>history, just as they
were with slavery, interracial marriage, the treatment<BR>of women, and
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