<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>dan,</div><div><br></div><div>I don't have the "need for speed", what I do have is a need for trust in government and the knowledge that what they are doing is in compliance with the laws of the State of Idaho.</div><div><br></div><div>What I am asking is for a list of the signs that have been put up by the highway district that are not in compliance with state law. How does the motoring public know which signs are real, legitimate and enforceable, and which ones are merely advisory. For the highway district to flaunt the state laws / regulations is just as bad as the speed demons that flaunt the state laws and regulations regarding how fast they can go. </div><div><br></div><div>I will take my concerns to "our lawmakers on their way to Boise" to have the Attorney General's Office look into highway districts that are flaunting the laws and regulations and posting bogus speed limits. Shirley, I know you look in on the Vision 2020 site and hope you look into this one. We have to be able to trust government, be it municipal, state, or even highway district. Clearly, by their own admission, we can't even believe speed limit signs. This is an example where the Legislature has spoken, the highway district doesn't like the decision that the Legislature has made, so it ignores it and does what it damn well pleases. While it appears on the surface to be just a matter of speed limit signs, it actually goes much farther than that. Getting a "speeding ticket" for going faster than the posted speed limit costs time and money, Here we have a situation where law enforcement will intrude upon a citizen under the pretext that they have broken the speeding laws, when in fact, the citizen has done nothing wrong, but the highway district has by posting bogus signs. </div><div><br></div><div>In a reply to the story of the bogus signs being posted on KHQ -Q6 was this response:</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Helvetica, Arial"><br></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000">"My stepson was run over by a grain truck on his 10th birthday on one of those Latah County roads. The driver admitted he was going 45mph. He was not sighted for speedig because of this exact issue."</font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3A3A3A" face="Verdana, Arial"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3A3A3A" face="Verdana, Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Now, if the ten year old was aware that the road he was on was in fact a 55 mph road rather than a bogus posted 35, maybe he would have been much more aware of the actual risks involved and would have been much more cautious. Do I blame the truck driver, NO! I blame the highway district for posting the bogus speed limits that the 10 year old relied upon, HE trusted that the signs posted were real, and I strongly would encourage the parents of the boy to bring suit against the highway district.</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3A3A3A" face="Verdana, Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#3A3A3A" face="Verdana, Arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 11px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;"><br></span></font></div><div><br></div><div>WMP</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Sep 28, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Dan Carscallen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">wayne,</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font face="Arial"></font> </span></font></div><div><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">we've done very few speed studies. It's not the expense that is keeping us from doing so. It's the methodology required. Suffice it to say the driving public dictates the speed limit.</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font face="Arial"></font> </span></font></div><div><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">If you feel the "need for speed" on the county roads, I guess that's your prerogative. I dislike the fact that it is what it is, but we have to play the hand we are dealt. The signs will stay up as an advisory speed, at the very least. I don't have the places where we've done our surveys handy (I'm at home), but I know if you are in a more "residential" area (Carmichael/Tomer roads, Country Homes Trailer Court on Lenville, and the Old Pullman Highway just west of the Kibbie Dome, for example) are legally posted at 35 mph or less (I don't have handy what they are posted at).</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font face="Arial"></font> </span></font></div><div><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Honestly, I would hope you would direct your concern to our lawmakers on their way to Boise. Our lobbyist had the idea of how to change the language in the code to give the Highway Commissioners a little more authority as to setting speed liimits, making it easier on all of us.</span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><font face="Arial"></font> </span></font></div><div><font face="Arial"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">DC</span></font></font></div><blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; position: static; z-index: auto; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-position: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="bear@moscow.com" href="mailto:bear@moscow.com">Wayne Price</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="areaman@moscow.com" href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com">Dan Carscallen</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Moscow Vision 2020'</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 28, 2009 3:42 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Vision2020] North Latah County Highway District sign policy</div><div><br></div>Dan,<br><br>Since it came out that the Highway District has posted speed limit <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>signs that are not valid, is there a listing of what signs aren't valid?<br>How are we to know which ones are real and which ones are bogus?<br><br><br>Wayne<br></blockquote></div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>