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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Good Morning Visionaries,<BR>
<BR>
When Chris Witmer learned that I was traveling to Tokyo in December, 2007, he invited me<BR>
to have lunch with him while I was there. I declined saying that I was astounded that he thought<BR>
that I would want to see him after all the nasty things he had said about me and my friends.<BR>
<BR>
In a return e-mail he apologized profusely for any wrong that he had done me, and urged me<BR>
to reconsider lunch. I answered that I didn't trust him and that was the end of the matter.<BR>
<BR>
If Witmer could apologize to me, then certainly he can apologize to Keely, one of the most<BR>
eloquent and elegant ladies that I know.<BR>
<BR>
What about it, Chris?? If you were man enough to apologize to me, then you are certainly man<BR>
enough to apologize to Keely. Of course, it has nothing to do with "manliness"; it has everything<BR>
to do with being a decent human being.<BR>
<BR>
And while you at it, shut down your vicious and perverse blog.<BR>
<BR>
We are eagerly waiting.<BR>
<BR>
Nick Gier<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com on behalf of Eimy Reekenxlime<BR>
Sent: Tue 9/22/2009 11:02 PM<BR>
To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Gee, that got mangled pretty badly; let's try that again --<BR>
<BR>
Well nobody<BR>
is approving of anti-gay violence, let alone homosexuals' violence<BR>
against themselves and other homosexuals, but apparently the grieving<BR>
parents had by that time managed to pull themselves together enough to<BR>
reaffirm that 1) they had done right by their son by making no effort<BR>
to get him to change and 2) rather than seeking to change homosexuals<BR>
they would try to change society to accept homosexuals. And of course<BR>
behind all that is the underlying assumption that biblical Christian<BR>
morality is part of the problem. That being the case, I hardly think<BR>
the gentle rebuke in that letter makes someone a "godless soul";<BR>
however, perhaps you would like to put the same question to Joe and<BR>
Marion Allen, whose son Bart was murdered by his homosexual live-in<BR>
lover when he was trying to come out of homosexuality.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Allen's parents, Joe and Marion, founded Hope for the Broken Heart<BR>
after his tragic murder. They have spoken at numerous Exodus<BR>
International events since then.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
When Bart was struggling with unwanted homosexual feelings, he sought<BR>
out a counselor for help. The counselor, however, told him he was born<BR>
gay. (No doubt Saundra Lund and Mr. and Mrs. Clayton would consider<BR>
that to be good counsel.) According to Joe and Marion, "When Bart came<BR>
out of her office, he looked like he had been given a death sentence. I<BR>
know this lady did not realize what she was doing . . . but she had<BR>
told him he was born gay. She told him we were doing him an injustice<BR>
by telling him this was wrong and he needed to go back [to the<BR>
homosexual lifestyle].<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Bart Allen did go back to homosexuality, but he couldn't accept it. His<BR>
lover, however, refused to accept the fact that Bart wanted to leave<BR>
homosexuality behind. While Bart was asleep, his partner strangled him<BR>
to death with a dog leash.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
You can see and hear Joe and Marion Allen's testimony here (first of two parts):<BR>
<BR>
<A HREF="http://www.vimeo.com/2532972">http://www.vimeo.com/2532972</A><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
No doubt it is easy for people who have not struggled with this sort of<BR>
thing in their own families to pass judgment on "godless"<BR>
Bible-thumpers from a distance, especially in a way that very<BR>
conveniently allows one to think of one's self as open-minded, loving,<BR>
accepting, tolerant, etc.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
But the fact of the matter is, when homosexuality is embraced by people<BR>
who experience such temptations, it becomes a deathstyle for them in<BR>
the fullest and truest, most tragic sense of that word. Especially for<BR>
those of us who are struggling with such problems in our own families,<BR>
we don't have the luxury of sitting back and telling people who are<BR>
headed for damnation that they are just fine the way they are. If<BR>
speaking such truth makes one a "godless soul" then I pray that such<BR>
"godlessness" might flourish.<BR>
<BR>
Eimy Reekenxlime<BR>
===========================<BR>
Can you handle the truth?<BR>
<A HREF="http://vipergalsinwind.blogspot.com/">http://vipergalsinwind.blogspot.com/</A><BR>
<BR>
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