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Thank you, Nick. Would you mind if I pasted your comments onto my blog, whose readers are heavily biased against me and toward Witmer?<br><br>Either way, I appreciate the support.<br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:30:52 -0700<br>From: NGIER@uidaho.edu<br>To: eimyreekenxlime@hotmail.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer<br><br>
<title>RE: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer</title>
<font size="2">Good Morning Visionaries,<br>
<br>
When Chris Witmer learned that I was traveling to Tokyo in December, 2007, he invited me<br>
to have lunch with him while I was there. I declined saying that I was astounded that he thought<br>
that I would want to see him after all the nasty things he had said about me and my friends.<br>
<br>
In a return e-mail he apologized profusely for any wrong that he had done me, and urged me<br>
to reconsider lunch. I answered that I didn't trust him and that was the end of the matter.<br>
<br>
If Witmer could apologize to me, then certainly he can apologize to Keely, one of the most<br>
eloquent and elegant ladies that I know.<br>
<br>
What about it, Chris?? If you were man enough to apologize to me, then you are certainly man<br>
enough to apologize to Keely. Of course, it has nothing to do with "manliness"; it has everything<br>
to do with being a decent human being.<br>
<br>
And while you at it, shut down your vicious and perverse blog.<br>
<br>
We are eagerly waiting.<br>
<br>
Nick Gier<br>
<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com on behalf of Eimy Reekenxlime<br>
Sent: Tue 9/22/2009 11:02 PM<br>
To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Gee, that got mangled pretty badly; let's try that again --<br>
<br>
Well nobody<br>
is approving of anti-gay violence, let alone homosexuals' violence<br>
against themselves and other homosexuals, but apparently the grieving<br>
parents had by that time managed to pull themselves together enough to<br>
reaffirm that 1) they had done right by their son by making no effort<br>
to get him to change and 2) rather than seeking to change homosexuals<br>
they would try to change society to accept homosexuals. And of course<br>
behind all that is the underlying assumption that biblical Christian<br>
morality is part of the problem. That being the case, I hardly think<br>
the gentle rebuke in that letter makes someone a "godless soul";<br>
however, perhaps you would like to put the same question to Joe and<br>
Marion Allen, whose son Bart was murdered by his homosexual live-in<br>
lover when he was trying to come out of homosexuality.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Allen's parents, Joe and Marion, founded Hope for the Broken Heart<br>
after his tragic murder. They have spoken at numerous Exodus<br>
International events since then.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
When Bart was struggling with unwanted homosexual feelings, he sought<br>
out a counselor for help. The counselor, however, told him he was born<br>
gay. (No doubt Saundra Lund and Mr. and Mrs. Clayton would consider<br>
that to be good counsel.) According to Joe and Marion, "When Bart came<br>
out of her office, he looked like he had been given a death sentence. I<br>
know this lady did not realize what she was doing . . . but she had<br>
told him he was born gay. She told him we were doing him an injustice<br>
by telling him this was wrong and he needed to go back [to the<br>
homosexual lifestyle].<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Bart Allen did go back to homosexuality, but he couldn't accept it. His<br>
lover, however, refused to accept the fact that Bart wanted to leave<br>
homosexuality behind. While Bart was asleep, his partner strangled him<br>
to death with a dog leash.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
You can see and hear Joe and Marion Allen's testimony here (first of two parts):<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/2532972">http://www.vimeo.com/2532972</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
No doubt it is easy for people who have not struggled with this sort of<br>
thing in their own families to pass judgment on "godless"<br>
Bible-thumpers from a distance, especially in a way that very<br>
conveniently allows one to think of one's self as open-minded, loving,<br>
accepting, tolerant, etc.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
But the fact of the matter is, when homosexuality is embraced by people<br>
who experience such temptations, it becomes a deathstyle for them in<br>
the fullest and truest, most tragic sense of that word. Especially for<br>
those of us who are struggling with such problems in our own families,<br>
we don't have the luxury of sitting back and telling people who are<br>
headed for damnation that they are just fine the way they are. If<br>
speaking such truth makes one a "godless soul" then I pray that such<br>
"godlessness" might flourish.<br>
<br>
Eimy Reekenxlime<br>
===========================<br>
Can you handle the truth?<br>
<a href="http://vipergalsinwind.blogspot.com/">http://vipergalsinwind.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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