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No, Roger, I think that people who finagle and connive to line their pockets by denying care to other people -- any other people, but particularly those who have paid their premiums -- are heartless bastards. That's "my view." And I promise you that if the situation continues and real people suffer and die while insurers narrow and cut and redefine what they will cover and what they won't, solely on the basis of shareholder return, I'll hold to it. <br><br>On the other hand, Obama doesn't share my views on this. I don't call him or anyone else who doesn't advocate for a single-payer system a "heartless bastard." I just call them, perhaps, overly cautious, perhaps even realistic. But I believe the only just and fair way to provide care and control costs is by going the route that every other industrialized nation on earth has -- a single-payer system not dictated by corporate profits. <br><br><br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:05:32 -0700<br>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> To: nielsen@uidaho.edu; Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Spam 5.41] A Thought to Ponder<br>> <br>> Saundra, Wayne, Bev, Keely and Ralph<br>> I was objecting to the last part, namely that the rich and powerful are arrogant and want to keep people from having adequate health care. Why is it that those of you on the left must impinge peoples motives. You seem to think that if people do not hold your view that they are heartless bastards. People of good will have different views. There are plenty of thing wrong with the present system. It is arguable that the current bills will solve the problems. In my view some of things that need to be done are tort reform, make insurance portable, and let people buy insurance where ever they want. These are just a few.<br>> In regard to Ralph's question. The shoe should be on the other foot. Please give valid evidence that Hoggart's statement is accurate, not just accusations because you disagree with those that do not want a government run program.<br>> I will be at the fair the rest of the week, so I will not be responding to any emails. Stop by the Grange and have a milk shake.<br>> Roger<br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: Ralph Nielsen nielsen@uidaho.edu<br>> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:02:23 -0700<br>> To: vision 2020 Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: [Spam 5.41] A Thought to Ponder<br>> <br>> > OK, Roger, will you please give us the reasons and facts that back up <br>> > your claim?<br>> > Is Simon Hoggart telling the truth or is he a liar?<br>> > Ralph<br>> > <br>> > lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com<br>> > Mon Sep 14 10:38:15 PDT 2009<br>> > <br>> > This statement is ridiculous and has no bases [basis?] in reality.<br>> > Roger<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > -----Original message-----<br>> > From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com<br>> > Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:50:40 -0700<br>> > To: "Moscow Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com<br>> > Subject: [Vision2020] A Thought to Ponder<br>> > <br>> > > "All over the US there are people whose lives are being destroyed <br>> > for lack<br>> > > of proper health care provision, and there is no sight more odious <br>> > than<br>> > > the rich, powerful, and arrogant trying to keep it that way"<br>> > ><br>> > > - Simon Hoggart, Political sketch artist for the UK Guardian<br>> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/simonhoggart<br>> > > <br>> > <br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br><br /><hr />Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. <a href='http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/' target='_new'>Get it now.</a></body>
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