Gary --<br><br>I'm just not sure on your position here. Do you think people should be making vague threats against the President or not? Or are you just accusing the liberals here of being hypocrites without taking a position yourself?<br>
<br>Here's your way out. I'm a little confused as to why you didn't take it: <br><br>These aren't my people; I'm not responsible for them. They're crazy; I'm not. The assault rifle guys are from the We The People Foundation, which is an advocacy organization for tax protesters. They're also birthers. They print their own money. They want to return to the gold standard. They believe the Venezuelan government stole the last US election by tampering with US voting machines. They bear little, if any, relationship to you -- by which I mean, "the near side of the far right." I find some of your beliefs distasteful; however, I find them comprehensible. Not so much with these lunatics.<br>
<br>I also mentioned that I found the protester with the AR-15 a little scary. <br><br>He showed up at a Presidential rally toting an assault rifle. His pastor's praying for Obama's death. He won't disavow an intent to kill the President while being interviewed on television,. His buddy showed up with a rifle and a threatening sign at the New Hampshire rally. There's a difference between a vague threat delivered by a puppet-wielding sociology undergrad across the country and a threat delivered by a militia gunman a block away. <br>
<br>Neither, you might note, is likely to actually to kill the President. That's not, however, what I'm worried about. First, I have a lot of strong and contrary political beliefs. I'm uncomfortable expressing them with my back to military-grade firearms. I think this is reasonable. Second, an armed and licensed person a block away from the President is a waste of resources, given that it's probably a good idea to keep a Secret Service sniper on him at all times. Third, keeping a Secret Service sniper on fifty gun-toting militia members is a logistical nightmare, and there appears to be no good way to prevent fifty gun-toting idiots from showing up. Fourth, the introduction of firearms to a situation with a lot of shouting and pushing, threatening signs, twitchy cops, and security cordons is an awful idea. Someone will get hurt. It is unlikely to be Obama, but that doesn't mean I don't care.<br>
<br>-- ACS<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:59 PM, g. crabtree <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It seems to me that you and campbell are in a neck
and neck competition to post the most addled response to my pointing out
yet another spot of hypocrisy with regard to the Rammell quip.
Fortunately for you, past experience indicates that the man with a fallacy for
all seasons will always ultimately win out in competitions such as this. Just
for fun however, why don't you expound a moment upon why "AR-15 toting dude"
gives you the vapors and provide an instance or two of my attempts to "claim"
him. Who knows, with enough breathless hyperbole, disjointed prose, and outright
disregard for truthfulness you might just give the pedantic perfesser a run for
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<div><br></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Gary --<br><br>Incidentally, I'm more concerned about things
like the AR-15-toting dude showing up to the Obama rally while refusing to
disavow calling for Obama's assassination. Rex Rammel is a national joke who
can't keep his mouth shut. This guy... less so. And, incidentally, Gary, since
he's a member of the Libertarian party and a militia crank, I don't think he's
"yours," except insofar as you try to keep claiming him.<br><br>--
ACS<br><br>For those of you that haven't seen the follow-up: <a href="http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-pastor-reiterates-wish-for-President-Obamas/MX2Vzd4unEi9n8PschT50w.cspxu" target="_blank">http://www.abc15.com/content/news/southeastvalley/tempe/story/Tempe-pastor-reiterates-wish-for-President-Obamas/MX2Vzd4unEi9n8PschT50w.cspxu</a>
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