<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>You keep bringing up the fact that something is or is not legal as justification that it should or should not be legal. By that light, you now have no complaint to offer in the smoking case. It IS illegal to smoke in bars, so it should be! We're not deriving people of rights; we're just following the law.</div><div><br></div><div>You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That is a clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to marry?</div><div><br></div><div>As I said, it is a weird kind of political view that thinks smoking in public can't be regulated by the government but marriage should be. And whatever it is it is not pro-freedom.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:11 AM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">That you don't understand comes as no big suprise.
In the first instance an existing right, the right to indulge in a legal
activity on private property, is stripped away at the insistance of a small
group of zealots (I recall no mention of communist influence on my part) In
the second, the government is NOT taking anything away. (from a slightly
different small group of zealots) They are also NOT telling anyone who to marry.
To claim they are is, as usual, silly, blatantly false, and makes no
sense.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>></a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 14, 2009 7:12
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Why I Support
Gay Marriage</div>
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<div>I don't understand someone who gets worked up because the local
government won't allow smoking in bars, who thinks that that is some kind of
communist influence, but who thinks the government CAN tell folks who to
marry, and anyone who says otherwise is acting like a child. It makes no
sense.</div>
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<div>Your pal, Joe <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Aug 14, 2009, at 6:51 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"<font size="3">Are you suggesting that if one
doesn't have and answer to this question, then the state need not allow the
marriage?"</font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="1">No. I was suggesting that it would make for a
more useful and interesting discussion than falling back on the same tactic
that most 5 year olds use when told no. "But I want it!" and "That's no
fair" followed by a stomp of the foot quickly become tedious and really do
very little to further the conversation.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="1">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com>"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a>>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 14, 2009 6:22
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Why I
Support Gay Marriage</div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469)">Gary
wrote: "Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you
being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society?" Can
you answer this question, Gary? Are you suggesting that if one doesn't
have and answer to this question, then the state need not allow the
marriage? Should this be the standard for what the state allows and what
it doesn't e.g. whether it is a benefit to society? Funny this didn't come
up in the smoking issue!</span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656)"><br></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.226562); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.226562)">Your
pal, Joe<br></span><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:14 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote type="cite">Why don't you explain to me all the
myriad ways in which you being able to marry your partner is a
benefit to me and/or society?"</blockquote>
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