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No, what "Miss Hendrickson" and I and others want is for same-sex couples to enjoy the same legal rights as Jeff and I do. And I'd like documentation from you of any church facing litigation or civil penalties for declining to marry -- in their church, as a religious ceremony -- same sex couples. I would be opposed to forcing churches to do <b>anything</b>, like, for example, perform a marriage ceremony for a man and woman who have previously divorced under circumstances the church's leadership finds unBiblical. No one forces churches to marry, baptize, hold funeral services for, or otherwise officiate at any ceremony, and they wouldn't if CIVIL law allowed for same-sex couples to marry CIVILLY, with the religious community they call home supporting them any way they choose to. Or not.<br><br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: lockshop@pull.twcbc.com<br>To: philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:08:50 -0700<br>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Why I (don't) Support Gay Marriage<br><br>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">"You can marry the one adult you want
to marry but Mo cannot. That is a clear double-standard. How is that not telling
people who to marry?"</font></div>
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<div>At best this would be an example of telling people who NOT to marry not who
they must. In reality any group of people can get together for the ritual of
their choice and refer to themselves however they wish. You just want the next
step. Forcing the rest of society to acknowlage and support the fantasy. Miss
Hendrickson has exactly the same right in this regard as I do.</div>
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<div>g</div></font></div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe
Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com%3E"><vision2020@moscow.com></a> </div>
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AM</div>
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Support Gay Marriage</div>
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<div>You keep bringing up the fact that something is or is not legal as
justification that it should or should not be legal. By that light, you now
have no complaint to offer in the smoking case. It IS illegal to smoke in
bars, so it should be! We're not deriving people of rights; we're just
following the law.</div>
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<div>You can marry the one adult you want to marry but Mo cannot. That is a
clear double-standard. How is that not telling people who to marry?</div>
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<div>As I said, it is a weird kind of political view that thinks smoking in
public can't be regulated by the government but marriage should be. And
whatever it is it is not pro-freedom.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Aug 14, 2009, at 8:11 AM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">That you don't understand comes as no big
suprise. In the first instance an existing right, the right to indulge in a
legal activity on private property, is stripped away at the insistance of a
small group of zealots (I recall no mention of communist influence on
my part) In the second, the government is NOT taking anything away. (from a
slightly different small group of zealots) They are also NOT telling anyone
who to marry. To claim they are is, as usual, silly, blatantly false,
and makes no sense.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g. crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com%3E"><</a><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>
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AM</div>
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Support Gay Marriage</div>
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<div>I don't understand someone who gets worked up because the local
government won't allow smoking in bars, who thinks that that is some kind
of communist influence, but who thinks the government CAN tell folks who
to marry, and anyone who says otherwise is acting like a child. It makes
no sense.</div>
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<div>Your pal, Joe <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Aug 14, 2009, at 6:51 AM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">"<font size="3">Are you suggesting that if
one doesn't have and answer to this question, then the state need not
allow the marriage?"</font></font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="1">No. I was suggesting that it would make for
a more useful and interesting discussion than falling back on the same
tactic that most 5 year olds use when told no. "But I want it!" and
"That's no fair" followed by a stomp of the foot quickly become tedious
and really do very little to further the conversation.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="1">g</font></div>
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<a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
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6:22 AM</div>
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Support Gay Marriage</div>
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<div><span class="EC_Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial;">Gary
wrote: "Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which
you being able to marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or
society?" Can you answer this question, Gary? Are you suggesting that
if one doesn't have and answer to this question, then the state need
not allow the marriage? Should this be the standard for what the state
allows and what it doesn't e.g. whether it is a benefit to society?
Funny this didn't come up in the smoking issue!</span></div>
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<div><span class="EC_Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial;">Your
pal, Joe<br></span><br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:14 PM, "g. crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"></a><a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<blockquote>Why don't you explain to me all the
myriad ways in which you being able to marry your partner is a
benefit to me and/or society?"</blockquote>
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