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Wrong.<br><br>The police are not the final word on this, and, expecting a civil suit, of course they stand behind Crowley. No surprise, and no legal significance.<br><br>More likely the prosecutor saw a BS case and decided not to spend any more time than it took to dismiss it.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> From: lockshop@pull.twcbc.com<br>> To: philosopher.joe@gmail.com; godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:16:08 -0700<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> "the charges were dropped, so apparently even the<br>> police found fault with Crowley.'<br>> <br>> Wrong. The police made it very clear that they stood behind Sgt. Crowley and <br>> that there was nothing wrong with the arrest. What is far more likely is <br>> that when the case was dropped on the desk of an over worked asst. P.A. he <br>> decided that his time would be more efficently used by dealing with more <br>> pressing matters and the state declined to prosecute.<br>> <br>> g<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><br>> To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter@yahoo.com><br>> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:31 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> <br>> > The woman who reported the supposed break-in DID NOT say she thought<br>> > the two men where black; that was one if several inaccuracies in the<br>> > police report. Gates could have done better; we all agree with that<br>> > (even Obama) but the charges were dropped, so apparently even the<br>> > police found fault with Crowley.<br>> ><br>> > Do some research on the web, especially about the woman's recent<br>> > statement. She's been harrassed because of misconceptions like the<br>> > ones below.<br>> ><br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> ><br>> > On Jul 30, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter@yahoo.com><br>> > wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> My take on the whole matter:<br>> >><br>> >> The lady that reported the burglary in the first place should be<br>> >> reminded that not everyone trying to get in a stuck door is a<br>> >> criminal.<br>> >> Would she have called the police if Professor Gates was white? Who<br>> >> knows.<br>> >><br>> >> Jumping immediately on Sgt. Crowley was an ill-advised move on Gates<br>> >> part. He had to investigate the alleged burglary, he couldn't just<br>> >> say<br>> >> "this lady is probably wrong, I'll just let it go". As Gary<br>> >> mentioned,<br>> >> a polite response would have made this all not happen. He could then<br>> >> have crowed about it to his heart's content, about how someone thought<br>> >> he was a burglar because he's black, what's this world coming to,<br>> >> etc.,<br>> >> etc. Now, to me at least, he comes across like a bad-tempered old man<br>> >> with a too short fuse when it comes to his race. If he had handled it<br>> >> calmly, I would have been right behind him when he talked about the<br>> >> sorry state of race relations in this country still today. He should<br>> >> not have followed Sgt. Crowley outside and continued to verbally abuse<br>> >> him. Maybe Sgt. Crowley could have shown a little fortitude and just<br>> >> left, but I find it hard to find pity for Professor Gates in this<br>> >> situation.<br>> >><br>> >> President Obama, as human as everyone else, sided with his friend. It<br>> >> seems obvious to me. In my opinion, he should not have said what he<br>> >> did<br>> >> in the first place, and should have come out with an actual apology<br>> >> afterwards. He should still do that. Saying you respect the other<br>> >> person and maybe you could have worded it better without saying you<br>> >> were<br>> >> wrong is not an apology. Otherwise, you're adding insult to injury.<br>> >><br>> >> Does this mean I think President Obama is unfit for office? No. It<br>> >> does mean that I don't think he's incapable of doing wrong, and it<br>> >> means<br>> >> that I certainly don't think he's a "saint".<br>> >><br>> >> This is all assuming, of course, that it was written up the way that<br>> >> it<br>> >> actually happened.<br>> >><br>> >> As for the Sergeant entering Professor Gates' house, isn't this<br>> >> acceptable when he's investigating a burglary? Especially since he<br>> >> entered only the foyer, from what I remember.<br>> >><br>> >> Paul<br>> >><br>> >> lfalen wrote:<br>> >>> That is right, he was. The officer was responding to a potential<br>> >>> burglary. Gates should have been appreciative. Instead he was<br>> >>> verbally abusive.<br>> >>> Roger<br>> >>> -----Original message-----<br>> >>> From: Wayne Price bear@moscow.com<br>> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:05:10 -0700<br>> >>> To: lfalen lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>>> Roger,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> But he was in HIS OWN HOUSE!<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:57 AM, lfalen wrote:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from<br>> >>>>> the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first<br>> >>>>> refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police<br>> >>>>> officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I<br>> >>>>> had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20<br>> >>>>> years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County<br>> >>>>> Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the<br>> >>>>> monthly<br>> >>>>> billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a<br>> >>>>> sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined<br>> >>>>> in<br>> >>>>> the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands<br>> >>>>> up"<br>> >>>>> I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling<br>> >>>>> them what I was doing and they went on their way.<br>> >>>>> Roger<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> -----Original message-----<br>> >>>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700<br>> >>>>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>>> Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust<br>> >>>>>> me, I'm<br>> >>>>>> not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm<br>> >>>>>> just here to note your errors.<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>>> Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once<br>> >>>>>> the<br>> >>>>>> ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no<br>> >>>>>> longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer<br>> >>>>>> dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is<br>> >>>>>> not<br>> >>>>>> surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree"<br>> >>>>>> <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >>>>>> wrote:<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>>>> I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't<br>> >>>>>>> happen.<br>> >>>>>>> Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley<br>> >>>>>>> or the<br>> >>>>>>> Cambridge P.D.<br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>> Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates<br>> >>>>>>> simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left.<br>> >>>>>>> It was<br>> >>>>>>> Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with<br>> >>>>>>> demands<br>> >>>>>>> and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but,<br>> >>>>>>> there is<br>> >>>>>>> no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving<br>> >>>>>>> stupidly.<br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>> g<br>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <br>> >>>>>>> <philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> >>>>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <br>> >>>>>>> <vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM<br>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you<br>> >>>>>>>> showed<br>> >>>>>>>> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately,<br>> >>>>>>>> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements<br>> >>>>>>>> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry,<br>> >>>>>>>> which of<br>> >>>>>>>> course you failed to note.<br>> >>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>> Not that any of this will convince you.<br>> >>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>> >>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> >>>>>>>> ><br>> >>>>>>>> wrote:<br>> >>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a<br>> >>>>>>>>> racist<br>> >>>>>>>>> as it's a<br>> >>>>>>>>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my<br>> >>>>>>>>> opinion.<br>> >>>>>>>>> I would,<br>> >>>>>>>>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front<br>> >>>>>>>>> of the<br>> >>>>>>>>> nation<br>> >>>>>>>>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with<br>> >>>>>>>>> regard to his<br>> >>>>>>>>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and<br>> >>>>>>>>> yet went so<br>> >>>>>>>>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving<br>> >>>>>>>>> stupidly?" How<br>> >>>>>>>>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully<br>> >>>>>>>>> informed?<br>> >>>>>>>>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to<br>> >>>>>>>>> say<br>> >>>>>>>>> Cap and<br>> >>>>>>>>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that<br>> >>>>>>>>> same<br>> >>>>>>>>> category.<br>> >>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>> g<br>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> >>>>>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><br>> >>>>>>>>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM<br>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> >>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over<br>> >>>>>>>>>> and<br>> >>>>>>>>>> over and<br>> >>>>>>>>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or<br>> >>>>>>>>>> the<br>> >>>>>>>>>> white<br>> >>>>>>>>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he<br>> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't like<br>> >>>>>>>>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I<br>> >>>>>>>>>> believe, a<br>> >>>>>>>>>> racist.''<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> Tom Hansen<br>> >>>>>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist<br>> >>>>>>>>>> expects it<br>> >>>>>>>>>> to change<br>> >>>>>>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> - Unknown<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>>>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>>>>>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>>>>><br>> >>>>>>><br>> >>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>>>> =======================================================<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> =======================================================<br>> >>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >>> =======================================================<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> =======================================================<br>> >> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >> http://www.fsr.net<br>> >> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >> =======================================================<br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> No virus found in this incoming message.<br>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br>> Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.36/2272 - Release Date: 07/30/09 <br>> 05:58:00<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br></body>
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