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No Roger, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if he was rude to the cop. He was in his own friggin' house. He proved to the cop BEFORE he ever stepped outside who he was. The cop asked him out so he could arrest him because he was pissed off and wanted to use the state's power on the guy who pissed him off.<br><br>That's bullshit.<br><br>How come people who want to restrict the state's power when it comes to the purse are so free to let them do whatever they want when it comes to abusing police authority?<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:57:23 -0700<br>> From: lfalen@turbonet.com<br>> To: philosopher.joe@gmail.com; jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> I think thar you are missing the point. Gate was belligerent from the git go before he finally identified himself. He at first refused to do so. He was arrested for verbal abuse of a police officer, not for burglary. If a black cop came to my house after I had locked myself out I would thank him for doing his job. About 20 years ago when I was the Feed Plant Manager for Whitman County Grower I was working late one night, trying to finish up the monthly billings. I had turned off the lights and went to sleep in a sleeping bag. It was about 2:00 AM when a search light was shined in the window. A bull horn said " come out of there with your hands up" I said " as soon as I get my pants on". I identified myself telling them what I was doing and they went on their way.<br>> Roger<br>> <br>> -----Original message-----<br>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe@gmail.com<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 07:41:30 -0700<br>> To: "g. crabtree" jampot@roadrunner.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> <br>> > Look it up yourself. You don't trust my sources anyway! Trust me, I'm <br>> > not going to waste my time trying to convince you of anything. I'm <br>> > just here to note your errors.<br>> > <br>> > Of course Gates could and should have handled it better. But once the <br>> > ID was shown, the officer should have left. His services were no <br>> > longer needed. Everything after that point was a waste of taxpayer <br>> > dollars, something you usually care a lot about -- though it is not <br>> > surprising you ignore it when it suits you. That is your MO.<br>> > <br>> > Sent from my iPhone<br>> > <br>> > On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:25 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com> <br>> > wrote:<br>> > <br>> > > I failed to note it because I'm fairly sure that it didn't happen. <br>> > > Please provide a link to BHO's apology to either Sgt. Crowley or the <br>> > > Cambridge P.D.<br>> > ><br>> > > Having actually read the police report, it's clear that had Gates <br>> > > simply and calmly shown his I.D. the officer would have left. It was <br>> > > Gates who continued to aggressively engage Sgt Crowley with demands <br>> > > and threats. Was Gates' arrest required? Probably not but, there is <br>> > > no question but what the professor was the one that was behaving <br>> > > stupidly.<br>> > ><br>> > > g<br>> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com <br>> > > ><br>> > > To: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com><br>> > > Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com>; "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com <br>> > > ><br>> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:41 AM<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >> If someone came to your house thinking you broke in and you showed <br>> > >> him ID proving you lived there and he didn't leave immediately, <br>> > >> I'd say he acted stupidly -- even if you took the race elements <br>> > >> out of it. As it turns out, Obama even said he was sorry, which of <br>> > >> course you failed to note.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Not that any of this will convince you.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Sent from my iPhone<br>> > >><br>> > >> On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:12 AM, "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com> <br>> > >> wrote:<br>> > >><br>> > >>> I'm not so sure that I'd go so far as to brand the POTUS a racist <br>> > >>> as it's a<br>> > >>> term that gets thrown around a little to casually, in my opinion. <br>> > >>> I would,<br>> > >>> however, like to know how you explain his standing in front of the <br>> > >>> nation<br>> > >>> and stating up front that he doesn't know the whole story with <br>> > >>> regard to his<br>> > >>> pal Henry Gates and Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley and <br>> > >>> yet went so<br>> > >>> far as to characterize law enforcements actions as "behaving <br>> > >>> stupidly?" How<br>> > >>> many other decisions does the man reach without being fully <br>> > >>> informed?<br>> > >>> Judging from other remarks I've heard him make I'd venture to say <br>> > >>> Cap and<br>> > >>> Trade and National Health Care might fall squarely into that same <br>> > >>> category.<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> g<br>> > >>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> > >>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen@moscow.com><br>> > >>> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:41 AM<br>> > >>> Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?<br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>>> "This president, I think, has exposed himself as a guy, over and <br>> > >>>> over and<br>> > >>>> over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the <br>> > >>>> white<br>> > >>>> culture, I don't know what it is. I'm not saying that he <br>> > >>>> doesn't like<br>> > >>>> white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I <br>> > >>>> believe, a<br>> > >>>> racist.''<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> - Glenn Beck on President Obama (July 28, 2009)<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIZDnpPafaA<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> -----------------------------------------------<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Tom Hansen<br>> > >>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it <br>> > >>>> to change<br>> > >>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> - Unknown<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> =======================================================<br>> > >>>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > >>>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > >>>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> > >>>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >>>> =======================================================<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>><br>> > >>> =======================================================<br>> > >>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > >>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > >>> http://www.fsr.net<br>> > >>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >>> =======================================================<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > <br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> =======================================================<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> =======================================================<br></body>
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