<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;font-size:12pt">Likewise, g, likewise. I also really couldn't care less if you find what I say of value. In fact, considering your pov, I would say that it's a compliment if you don't agree with me.<div><br></div><div>I'm glad you are happily married. If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for any two consenting adults, regardless if they are of the same sex or not. You don't deserve to be treated special.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps you think you are part of an elite class who gets priveliges? Think again...</div><div><br>Garrett Clevenger<div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">From:</span></b> g. crabtree <jampot@roadrunner.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Garrett Clevenger <garrettmc@verizon.net>; vision2020@moscow.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, July 24, 2009 7:10:23 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Choices<br></font><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="1">Does this mean that I should now feel free to
speculate and draw scurrilous conclusions concerning your, and others with whom
I may disagree, marriages and family life based on nothing more than the
lightweight bumper sticker opinions you present to the community on this
board? Just for the record I've been very happily married to my first wife for
33 years as of this month. Do you really think you have anything by way of an
opinion I would consider of any value concerning matrimony or, for that
matter, anything else? Think again.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="1">g</font></div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a rel="nofollow" title="garrettmc@verizon.net" ymailto="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:garrettmc@verizon.net">Garrett
Clevenger</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="vision2020@moscow.com" ymailto="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 24, 2009 4:18 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] Choices</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:12pt;FONT-FAMILY:'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">Typical g, avoiding valid
questions and spewing out a ridiculous response.</span></font>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">The people wanting
to ban gay marriages don't want gay people to be treated as equal
citizens. They don't care about keeping religion out of our laws. While
marriage may be good enough for heteros, gay people now have to explain how
allowing them to marry would benefit society.</span></font></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><br></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">Who wouldn't want a gay
marriage? It's not ironic that seemingly a majority of people don't want some
people to be happily married. Makes you wonder if g is happily married, as
maybe he just doesn't want to subject gay people to the misery he's
feeling.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><br>The state has no business
barring any two adults from entering a marriage. The fact that the main
argument against banning gay marriage is because the bible said homosexuality
is evil just shows how fanatics will usurp the 1st amendment and pass
religious based laws. That is illegal and I certainly hope the supreme court
someday is rational about that, and the stupid idea of banning gay marriage
will be overturned.<br><br>I'm a woman loving man. If another man is attracted
to men, it seems that is their biological drive. It makes no sense to me to
not be attracted to women so therefore gay people were probably born that way,
and deserve to have equal protection under the law. Isn't that what America is
about?</span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"></span></font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">While churches shouldn't be
forced to marry gay people, gay people should have the right to marry one
another and states should recognize that.</span></font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">Those who want to ban gay
marriage are evil heartbreakers. How sad that they should feel so strongly
about keeping two consenting adults from commiting their lives to each other
in marriage.</span></font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-FAMILY:Times;">Gays are only wanting to love someone for
life. This commitment should be honored. To wrap this up, you bigots are
just not right.</span><br></span></font>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"></span></font> </div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">Garrett
Clevenger</span></font></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><br></span></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif"></font></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-FAMILY:Times;">
<h1><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">[Vision2020]
Choices</span></h1><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">the lockshop</span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"> </span><a rel="nofollow" title="[Vision2020] Choices" ymailto="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Choices&In-Reply-To=" target="_blank" href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com?Subject=%5BVision2020%5D%20Choices&In-Reply-To="><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">lockshop at
pull.twcbc.com </span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><br></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">Fri Jul 24 15:26:29 PDT <span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:-webkit-monospace;WHITE-SPACE:pre;"></span></span></i></span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="-webkit-monospace" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:13px;WHITE-SPACE:pre;"><br></span></font></div>
<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-FAMILY:Times;"><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:13px;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:-webkit-monospace;WHITE-SPACE:pre;">Since
I've done that one before Mo, why not just for fun try a different approach.
Why don't you explain to me all the myriad ways in which you being able to
marry your partner is a benefit to me and/or society? Explain how it will be
good for children (mine or yours, assuming you have any), how it will
strenghten families, and how it won't cause large problems with regard to an
already tottering social security system. Lay out how it won't set the stage
for polygamous and polyandrous unions with all the inherent problems that will
bring. Perhaps, if nothing else, explain to me what the major tangible
benefits of it would even be for you and your partner.</span></span></i><pre><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">All the things that you claim you long for can be achieved by other legal means. It is my understanding that most states allow pretty much all accomadation to homosexual couples as they do hetro except the title, why so adamant in your insistance for a change to the status quo?
g
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From: Mo Hendrickson
To: </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">lockshop at pull.twcbc.com</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">
Cc: </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">vision2020 at moscow.com</span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="FONT-SIZE:medium;">
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Choices
One question Gary. I am hoping you can clarify this point for me...
How would my desire to marry my partner adversely affect you?
Your marriage, I am making an assumption that you are married, has no effect on me, so why would mine have any bearing on you? Why do you advocate for denying me and my partner a legally recognized marriage?
Not that I expect an answer but I thought I would put it out there. I guess anybody who is opposed to same gender marriage could answer this question. And so we don't head down the ridiculous path of marrying goats, I am defining same gender marriage as two consenting adults.
-Mo
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